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    We ladies are all tsundere for Han-senpai. B-Baka! (≧д≦)
    In all seriousness though, I don't hate you, Han. I can't even tell if you are a troll or not. Have your all male guild if you want. However, we all have the right to disagree with you, just like you have the right to disagree with us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronibosch View Post
    We ladies are all tsundere for Han-senpai. B-Baka! (≧д≦)
    In all seriousness though, I don't hate you, Han. I can't even tell if you are a troll or not. Have your all male guild if you want. However, we all have the right to disagree with you, just like you have the right to disagree with us.
    Thanks for your message I totally agree that people can disagree with me, I mean without it we would get bored quickly.
    That's what a debate is all about.

    But what is happening here is mostly ad hominem attacks and false accusations, in short a hatred against my person and I totally deplore this.

    That's why I really wish that no one would participate anymore because it's impossible to debate unfortunately.

    In any case, thank you again for your positivity and your humor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HanWenqing View Post
    That's why I really wish that no one would participate anymore because it's impossible to debate unfortunately.
    Be the change you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HanWenqing View Post
    That's why I really wish that no one would participate anymore because it's impossible to debate unfortunately.
    You first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HanWenqing View Post
    Thanks for your message I totally agree that people can disagree with me, I mean without it we would get bored quickly.
    That's what a debate is all about.

    But what is happening here is mostly ad hominem attacks and false accusations, in short a hatred against my person and I totally deplore this.

    That's why I really wish that no one would participate anymore because it's impossible to debate unfortunately.

    In any case, thank you again for your positivity and your humor.
    The key takeaway from all this, Han, apart from "people in the OF's are d***s", is that you can do what you want to do. There's nothing inherently wrong with wanting your own group if that's what you're comfortable with. Obviously, you're going to ruffle feathers and not everyone will feel okay about it due to personal beliefs or experiences. But apart from that, there's not much discussion to be had; you have validation from several people, discussing the reason any further is just going to trigger an avalanche.

    I do think some stuff you said really does need some rethinking, though, but it's a personal one. Not something you should ask strangers whose first impulse is to go ham at you and you at them. Especially not on these forums, rarely can you ever have a proper debate without people throwing crap, and if it's going to be an incensing topic like this, you can expect the crap to be flaming. It's a topic rife for drama.
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    Player HanWenqing's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    The key takeaway from all this, Han, apart from "people in the OF's are d***s", is that you can do what you want to do. There's nothing inherently wrong with wanting your own group if that's what you're comfortable with. Obviously, you're going to ruffle feathers and not everyone will feel okay about it due to personal beliefs or experiences. But apart from that, there's not much discussion to be had; you have validation from several people, discussing the reason any further is just going to trigger an avalanche.

    I do think some stuff you said really does need some rethinking, though, but it's a personal one. Not something you should ask strangers whose first impulse is to go ham at you and you at them. Especially not on these forums, rarely can you ever have a proper debate without people throwing crap, and if it's going to be an incensing topic like this, you can expect the crap to be flaming. It's a topic rife for drama.
    You are absolutely right, I readily admit that I did not express myself in the best way at certain times and that I had a rather immature behavior in addition to basing myself solely on the ideas of other people. I learned a lot by reading the messages of some very based people

    I thought I was an Alpha but I understand that I still have work ahead of me, I want to be an Alpha to protect those I love not to despise those weaker than me.
    If I main a Paladin it's good because I've always liked the role of protector.
    I made new friends and I already have my team of bros, which perfectly answers this topic.

    I wanted to end this topic but I couldn't bear to let myself be insulted constantly and accused of things I've never done yes it pissed me off a bit and I would have liked the topic to be deleted before that

    I'm not a troll contrary to what many think but that's just how I express myself and communicate I've always been very direct, that's how...

    I don't want to continue to be insulted even when I participate in another topic, I don't really like this atmosphere where people quote messages that I wrote several months ago to spit on me.
    Basically I just wanted to chat with people who love FF14 as much as I do, but good times and worse it's also a bit my fault because I also lack tact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HanWenqing View Post
    You are absolutely right, I readily admit that I did not express myself in the best way at certain times and that I had a rather immature behavior in addition to basing myself solely on the ideas of other people. I learned a lot by reading the messages of some very based people

    I thought I was an Alpha but I understand that I still have work ahead of me, I want to be an Alpha to protect those I love not to despise those weaker than me.
    If I main a Paladin it's good because I've always liked the role of protector.
    I made new friends and I already have my team of bros, which perfectly answers this topic.

    I wanted to end this topic but I couldn't bear to let myself be insulted constantly and accused of things I've never done yes it pissed me off a bit and I would have liked the topic to be deleted before that

    I'm not a troll contrary to what many think but that's just how I express myself and communicate I've always been very direct, that's how...

    I don't want to continue to be insulted even when I participate in another topic, I don't really like this atmosphere where people quote messages that I wrote several months ago to spit on me.
    Basically I just wanted to chat with people who love FF14 as much as I do, but good times and worse it's also a bit my fault because I also lack tact.
    Oh, poor thing
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    Quote Originally Posted by HanWenqing View Post
    Thanks for your message I totally agree that people can disagree with me, I mean without it we would get bored quickly.
    That's what a debate is all about.

    But what is happening here is mostly ad hominem attacks and false accusations, in short a hatred against my person and I totally deplore this.

    That's why I really wish that no one would participate anymore because it's impossible to debate unfortunately.

    In any case, thank you again for your positivity and your humor.
    There's nothing false about you being sexist/misogynistic. Your original post about wanting a male only FC? Fine. Do whatever you want. Everyone is free to form a group that best suits them! But beyond that, it went downhill, and I'd say some self-reflection is in order. You are the one who fanned the flames. Stop playing the victim.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 09-22-2022 at 02:16 AM.
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