SCH lacks a single target mitigation ability

[ty_taurus]

If anything, I'd say Protraction doesn't last long enough. A max HP boost has the unique quality of effectively being a refreshable barrier, but it's hard to really take advantage of that in a 10 second window. If that means it needs an increased cooldown than that would be fine, I think. I also feel like it would be fitting to have it be affected by Deployment Tactics. I still think DT feels really wasted being a whole button exclusively for one purpose that doesn't actually get used by good SCH players in most content.

[IceBlueNinja]

Honestly I’m fine with protraction in its current form as a mitigation tool, temporary 10% health boost is basically the equivalent of a 10% shield and it makes subsequent healing if needed stronger as well as an extra benefit

SCH already dominates the other 3 in shielding and mitigation on the AOE front that it doesn’t really need much more, SCH is already too strong as it is

The buff to sage holos which gives migi 10% + 300 pot shield makes sages aoe shields not as crummy as it use to be anymore a zoe physis +e prog with holos/panhi/hami which all stacks =good party shielding/migi + healing boot which seem more powerful now imo than crit/dt spread alco. E diag if crit with zoe is potential a stronger single shield than crit alco. sage win in single powerful shield. Sch wins in aoe but again with buff to holos thats barely a huge difference now. Though deep down I see the major fix was simply just make E prog be 200 potency and cut the 360% of heal restore to about 130 or something... low potency=bad heals +shields, that mess happen with 5.0 noct ast and they had to change the potency back to 200 and cut that 250% back to its 100 something. Ast kept their potencies on their intersect/+ netrual (dirunal) which can be stacked using aspect netrua benefic/helios with intersect... so its really only WHM give poor migitation with only aqua and no shields period. ast and sage has good shields and migi.

[HyonaCookie]

Yes, I want SCH buffs. Please give SCH buffs for once T_T

[ty_taurus]

Yes, I want SCH buffs. Please give SCH buffs for once T_T

It's funny, ironic, and sad how no matter how much they gut SCH, it continues to be the the top performing healer regardless of how much its gameplay declines.

[Supersnow845]

The buff to sage holos which gives migi 10% + 300 pot shield makes sages aoe shields not as crummy as it use to be anymore a zoe physis +e prog with holos/panhi/hami which all stacks =good party shielding/migi + healing boot which seem more powerful now imo than crit/dt spread alco. E diag if crit with zoe is potential a stronger single shield than crit alco. sage win in single powerful shield. Sch wins in aoe but again with buff to holos thats barely a huge difference now. Though deep down I see the major fix was simply just make E prog be 200 potency and cut the 360% of heal restore to about 130 or something... low potency=bad heals +shields, that mess happen with 5.0 noct ast and they had to change the potency back to 200 and cut that 250% back to its 100 something. Ast kept their potencies on their intersect/+ netrual (dirunal) which can be stacked using aspect netrua benefic/helios with intersect... so its really only WHM give poor migitation with only aqua and no shields period. ast and sage has good shields and migi.

Still that line of thinking is basically “if I use every single buff SGE has it just exceeds a SCH putting in basically no effort with critlo” and then the SCH can buff critlo 40% by itself and also allows for single target healing up buffs to benefit the party as a whole and one of its healing up buffs is also mitigation

SCH still wins handily in the shielding department but at least SGE isn’t a liability in that department anymore

It's funny, ironic, and sad how no matter how much they gut SCH, it continues to be the the top performing healer regardless of how much its gameplay declines.

Whoever decided that a 10% up buff to the most broken stat in the game that the SCH has to put literally zero effort into pressing was a good idea leading to SCH being meta from 2.0 to current with only half a patch in 5.1 just shows that SCH will never not be meta no matter how bad it feels to play

[xDaemianx]

[...] I'm pretty sure a lot of other SCH main may feel like they lack of a single target mitigation ability, when WHM, AST, and SGE all have single target mitigation abilities.

WHM and AST get Aquaveil and Exaltation respectively at level 86, which are both a 10% damage mitigation on single target (with Exaltation being a healing ability as well). SGE also gets Taurochole at level 62, which is a 10% mitigation with 700 healing potency on single target. In comparison, SCH gets Excogitation at level 62, which is only a healing ability with 800 potency.

Since it would not make sense to give Excogitation 10% damage mitigation like SGE's Taurochole (as Excogitation last for 45 sec if not detonated), I have 2 possible solutions in terms of giving SCH a single target mitigation:

1. Protraction: give it an additional 10% damage mitigation on single target. This would align with WHM's Aquaveil and AST's Exaltation in which all 3 are learnt at level 86. [...]

2. Fey Union: give it a 10% damage mitigation when the fairy is tethering a target. Currently, many SCH players feel like Fey Union is a bit underwhelming, as you cannot accumulate fairy gauge during dissipation, and you cannot use Fey Union during dissipation or when Seraph is summoned. [...]

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So, let me see if I got it right: you want a SCH to get a damage reduction ability just like the other healers when Protraction is a +10% HP for the target, which is an equivalent to a damage reduction? In all fairness, it's true that the damage reduction lingers for 8s but yours heals + buffs HP + increases healing for 10s. If anything, this spell is quite well-equipped compared to the other two even if you need to throw an Adloquium to fully benefit from the healing+.
If anything, maybe WHM/SGE/AST need(s) a spell that increases damage/crit/dhit just like SCH's Chain Stratagem does? Or a Healing AoE that shields the whole party instead of just one (Divine Benison)? I mean, SCH's got two: Adloquium and Succor, then two other abilities that heal without mitigation (Indomitability & Fey Blessing); then WHMs have plenty of AoE Healing spells but only one individual shield-mitigating spell, how about we get Assize/Afflatus Rapture with mitigation as well?

I think they're fine as they are, of course there'll be changes and tweaks here and there, especially in new expansions, where we'll see these effects into new spells so they catch up and still keep their identity. You can't ask SE to create all healers with the EXACT same spells but learnt at different levels or with those effects embedded in X or Y spell...or else we'll end up with ONE healer regardless of which one you choose, bar those key elements that tell them apart (Fairy/Cards/Healing potency/Healing when attacking)

[ty_taurus]

I mean if I am going to play SGE, I'm quite happy that SCH's Adloquium is vastly superior to my E. Diag/E. Prog. That just means if I team up with a SCH, I have even less of a reason to waste my GCDs on barriers.

[AnotherPerson]

I mean if I am going to play SGE, I'm quite happy that SCH's Adloquium is vastly superior to my E. Diag/E. Prog. That just means if I team up with a SCH, I have even less of a reason to waste my GCDs on barriers.

Addersting generation not tied to Eukrasian Diagnosis when? :'(

[Zolvolt]

Can we talk about how protraction can still just kill players with improper timing x.x

[ty_taurus]

Can we talk about how protraction can still just kill players with improper timing x.x

Do you mean Expedient? Like making someone sprint to their doom? Or is there something about Protraction that kills people that I don't know about?

If you are talking about Expedient, the pros outweigh the cons. Just because something has the potential to backfire does not make it a bad tool, nor does it mean it should be removed. 1 bad Rescue on occasion should not take away from the otherwise useful and engaging 100 times it's otherwise beneficial, for example.