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    Player Mithron's Avatar
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    Mithron Scarlet
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    Is there any job that's actually happy and satisfied in EW?

    The only one I can think of is SCH, and even they were memed on hard in the EW Job Action Showcase video lol
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    Z'nnah Silverbane
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    Some people (maybe most) who are happy with their job(s) won't say so on the forums either because they don't bother with the forums or don't want the abuse that comes from admitting you are happy with almost any aspect of the game. So don't be surprised if you don't get much in the way of useful responses to your question.
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    Rithris Amaya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverbane View Post
    Some people (maybe most) who are happy with their job(s) won't say so on the forums either because they don't bother with the forums or don't want the abuse that comes from admitting you are happy with almost any aspect of the game. So don't be surprised if you don't get much in the way of useful responses to your question.
    People who dislike the changes of their jobs will likely be more vocal then the ones who didn't I can name quite a few Jobs that got pretty good changes, goods that got some good some bad changes and Jobs that got some bad changes, Overall I dislike the "burst meta" which is what most people are currently complaining about when jobs such as Paladin will be reworked to fit better inside of raid buffs.

    People will complain if things don't line up properly people will complain if they do theirs been so many iterations of different jobs now that different people want different thing, the thoughts and opinions that seem "negative" over job design while a valid concern isn't always bad choices

    I think a good example is how White Mage has changed, White Mage was in a rough spot 6.0, but SE listened to a lot of feedback and actually addressed a lot of it's issues, While I'm not the biggest healer design fan I can see the Improvements, I think White mage got some pretty good changes

    on the contrary (as people have already over used "Kaiten gone" ill use Ninja instead), Ninja I really don't like the changes and I don't think most people who's been a fan of how Ninjas played are really happy with the recent buff rework, It's understandable as Trick attack and 60 second damage buffs was ninjas niche now ninja is like every other melee dps with its buffs.

    My current Opinion is that jobs should in 7.0 go away from this 60/120 burst meta, I don't exactly know if its a problem with raid buffs, I also don't think jobs should be selfish, but raid buffs are kind of the most bland "job support" that are slapped on every melee that isn't samurai to the point where I'm pretty dissatisfied with the blandness of melees, I really like how casters are balanced (they should all do more, BLM should be very close if not better then sam, rdm and smn should be boosted), I want more for ranged dps (They need to cut the range tax down for both caster/physranged), Machinist needs either more damage or more utility (Preferably both, I dont mean flat damage boost "utility" to even be considered). Healers have their advantages from each other, I think healers should have more of a small rotation (proc based) but in general healers are alright, Tank balance is... eh? I really like Paladin but can't say I'm hopeful that the changes will address anything, tanks need some more diversity between them.
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    Last edited by Rithy255; 09-16-2022 at 11:50 AM.

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    Canadane's Avatar
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    King Canadane
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    It used to be WAR until they took away the cone shaped attack of Overpower.
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    It used to be WAR until they took away the cone shaped attack of Overpower.
    Even for warrior an argument can be made that Endwalker made the job worse.

    Warrior got even dumber than in ShB with all semblance of gauge management removed. Even people claiming that you still need to keep an eye on Infuriate talk nonsense. I gave it the benefit of the doubt before because I hadn't played warrior since ShB but now I can safely say that the change to 1 minute IR has made this basically automatic. You use 3 Infuriates in your opener and afterwards it is 1 Infuriate every odd minute and 2 Infuriates every even minute burst...if I can pick up warrior again after a year of not playing it outside of 1 or 2 dungeons and get a 97 on my second ever P6S clear it tells you a lot about both it's skill floor and ceiling. The changes to Overpower were just the latest issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    Even for warrior an argument can be made that Endwalker made the job worse.

    Warrior got even dumber than in ShB with all semblance of gauge management removed. Even people claiming that you still need to keep an eye on Infuriate talk nonsense. I gave it the benefit of the doubt before because I hadn't played warrior since ShB but now I can safely say that the change to 1 minute IR has made this basically automatic. You use 3 Infuriates in your opener and afterwards it is 1 Infuriate every odd minute and 2 Infuriates every even minute burst...if I can pick up warrior again after a year of not playing it outside of 1 or 2 dungeons and get a 97 on my second ever P6S clear it tells you a lot about both it's skill floor and ceiling. The changes to Overpower were just the latest issue.
    I agree. But also tanking in general has been braindead and boring ShB. SB had the best tanking meta the games ever had and they took it away from us.
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    Hethalor Dikbut
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    I absolutely love RDM I enjoy its rotation, it's satisfying when I play well, I just wish the devs would acknowledge that the balance is rough right now, and at least reassure us that they plan on doing something about it.... could probably use some more oGCD's in my opinion, but I don't see that happening.
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Silverbane View Post
    Some people (maybe most) who are happy with their job(s) won't say so on the forums either because they don't bother with the forums or don't want the abuse that comes from admitting you are happy with almost any aspect of the game.
    This.

    I main WHM, SCH, and SGE collectively, and if I say I like them over on the healer forum, I get demolished, called bad, people go to the abacus and try to critique my logs that other people uploaded (I don't run add-ons and genuinely try my best and read stuff like Balance but don't record or upload stuff myself) and so on, all because I dared to disagree that the game is hot garbage and the healing role and all Jobs in it is dying and every healer either hates the role or is a bad player wanting free carries, etc etc.

    I'm not sure if it's that way everywhere, but it seems on the forums if you don't hate the game, you're attacked for saying so.

    So at the risk of being attacked:

    Post-6.1 changes, WHMs seem pretty happy, SCHs seem pretty happy, SGEs seem at least content, and ASTs seem pretty happy. Outside of the forums, that is. If you set aside the general dislike of one-button-spam, most healers seem to like how their Job functions okay.

    Most of the Tanks seem to be well liked, though by different people. What I mean by that is that players seem to have a strong like of one and dislike of others. PLDs find WARs boring but seem to enjoy their overall rotation including its wonk since that gives them opportunities to optimize. WARs like going unga bunga with a straightforward and functional system that just works. GNBs like having their rigid and high speed rotation and are happy now that Continuation skills have a bit of range for moving the boss, though some were a bit annoyed that Bloodfest was changed to the 2 min burst window (which PLD mains are terrified their Job is going to be forced into next. And DRKs are content with the Living Dead change and seem to like being dance partnered in their burst phases, even if down sinking for roulette content is less than enjoyable to many.

    DRGs seem to like their Job, and I haven't seen a lot of complaints from NINs after the Fleeting/Forked change. Though a caveat with NIN is that a lot of people aren't super happy with the Trick/Mug change...

    DNC and BRD I haven't heard complaints from. MCH is a different story...for good reason.

    BLM, RDM, and (though this one is a mixed bag) SMN players who DO like the SMN rework (or are new SMNs who enjoy it/picked up the Job post-rework) all seem to enjoy their Jobs and class fantasy, they just dislike the balance/tuning numbers right now in the case of RDM and SMN.

    So at the least, a good chunk of healers, all the tanks, DRG, NIN, DNC, BRD, BLM and arguably RDM and SMN seem to be happy and satisfied with their Job.

    We really need an updated "Job satisfaction" survey. The most recent one seems to be from 5.25 or something ridiculous like that, and so much has changed since then...

    .

    EDIT: I think the big thing here is realizing how diverse the community is, even among players of a single Job. Some WHMs love WHM, while some others hate it being braindead. Some SMNs hate SMN, but others LOVE it being easy and straightforward and summoning the big boys to fight for them. Even within a Job, you're going to get a lot of variation.

    So I get the "on the whole/which Jobs do a majority of players who play/main them enjoy" is more an average/aggregate thing. I think my answer above is probably a rough ballpark for that.
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    Last edited by Renathras; 09-21-2022 at 02:30 PM. Reason: Marked with EDIT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverbane View Post
    Some people (maybe most) who are happy with their job(s) won't say so on the forums either because they don't bother with the forums or don't want the abuse that comes from admitting you are happy with almost any aspect of the game.
    I'm extremely happy with WAR, quite happy with DRG, PLD, and RDM, and mostly happy with BRD. I'm just now dipping my toes into DRK and am enjoying it so far. To be honest, I'm very happy with the entire state of the game as it stands today.

    Yes, I'm casual AF and have a low skill cap thanks to certain limitations. That being said, I pretty much no-life the game and do just fine the normal/DR/DF stuff I do, so even if my opinion doesn't actually count since I don't do EX or harder, at least it's an opinion borne of experience.
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    Elzen Man
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverbane View Post
    Some people (maybe most) who are happy with their job(s) won't say so on the forums either because they don't bother with the forums or don't want the abuse that comes from admitting you are happy with almost any aspect of the game. So don't be surprised if you don't get much in the way of useful responses to your question.
    Or maybe, most people are unhappy.

    The forums are a privilege, because you have to be subbed to the game to use it. This isn't a "Most people on the forums don't play the game" situation. EVERY person on the forums HAS to play to a degree, or you cannot post.
    (Even though I don't play it that much......due to not being satisfied with any of the jobs)

    To your point, how many actually got to EW? Not me.......So maybe I have no business posting about EW LOL, but as for the jobs as a guy who owns EW? I think they all suck, except maybe 1 or 2 are playable to me....Just me personally.
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