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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    Maybe I'm just weird but the game alone provides far more than mogstation ever will and with that in mind I don't see the issue here.

    Mogstation is far removed from the game and isn't shoved in your face by any means. So if this is deemed predatory is on the lowest scale. If the cost is to high for you for whatever reason do what I and many others do and simply don't buy it
    I won't argue the predatory point, cause I don't think I have the right experience/know how to make a definitive statement on that.

    I will argue, however, that is is "shoved in your face". Any time you see a glam someone bought from the Mogstation, it is being advertised to you. Anytime you see a mount you might like that it turns out is Mogstation exclusive, it is being advertised to you. Anytime someone emotes at you using a Mogstation exclusive mount, it is being advertised to you.

    The game itself might not splash it across the screen on login as so many other games do, but it is absolutely advertised overtly and persistently in the form of the playerbase that interact with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iyrnthota View Post
    I won't argue the predatory point, cause I don't think I have the right experience/know how to make a definitive statement on that.

    I will argue, however, that is is "shoved in your face". Any time you see a glam someone bought from the Mogstation, it is being advertised to you. Anytime you see a mount you might like that it turns out is Mogstation exclusive, it is being advertised to you. Anytime someone emotes at you using a Mogstation exclusive mount, it is being advertised to you.

    The game itself might not splash it across the screen on login as so many other games do, but it is absolutely advertised overtly and persistently in the form of the playerbase that interact with it.
    you must not have to leave your house much, since doing so would have many things "shoved in your face" that you may want only to realize somebody had to buy them at a store. this has to be one of the less well reasoned "takes" on the whole thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    you must not have to leave your house much, since doing so would have many things "shoved in your face" that you may want only to realize somebody had to buy them at a store. this has to be one of the less well reasoned "takes" on the whole thing.
    I'm not entirely sure what your point is here.
    "Advertising exists in real life, so it's okay in this game"?
    Am I to draw a direct parallel to strolling through my local city center and strolling through the Limsa plaza?

    I should hope I'm not the first one to tell you this, but games aren't real life, and nor should they be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iyrnthota View Post
    I will argue, however, that is is "shoved in your face". Any time you see a glam someone bought from the Mogstation, it is being advertised to you. Anytime you see a mount you might like that it turns out is Mogstation exclusive, it is being advertised to you. Anytime someone emotes at you using a Mogstation exclusive mount, it is being advertised to you.
    In that case, the entire world is an advertisement being shoved in your face. Everyone you see walking down the street is an advertisement for the clothes they're wearing. Everyone holding a branded drink cup in their hand is an advertisement for that company. Every car on the highway is an advertisement for that car maker.

    Do you get upset that all those things are getting shoved in your face? Or do you only act that ridiculous over items in a game that you want but don't want to pay for?

    Quote Originally Posted by LilyPendragon View Post
    The burden of proof there would probably rest on the people saying that they do put it back into the game. Yes, Yoshi has said it's the case but is there any actual evidence? I'm not likely to believe that, especially given Square's recent track record of spaffing money up the wall on stupid things (i.e NFT's)
    Unless someone is a registered investor in Square Enix, they don't have any right to that type of information beyond whatever public disclosures are required by law.

    If you think a company is engaging in shady accounting practices, why are you doing business with them? Why not go find a game where you feel the company is properly investing back in their product?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    In that case, the entire world is an advertisement being shoved in your face. Everyone you see walking down the street is an advertisement for the clothes they're wearing. Everyone holding a branded drink cup in their hand is an advertisement for that company. Every car on the highway is an advertisement for that car maker.
    Yes, it is.
    Do you get upset that all those things are getting shoved in your face?
    Yes, I do, and I do my very best to avoid them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iyrnthota View Post
    Yes, it is.

    Yes, I do, and I do my very best to avoid them.
    Somehow I doubt that. If you were truly affected that badly, you wouldn't be subscribed to the game in the first place. You'd be cowering in a closet somewhere with your eyes clenched shut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Somehow I doubt that. If you were truly affected that badly, you wouldn't be subscribed to the game in the first place. You'd be cowering in a closet somewhere with your eyes clenched shut.
    We all deal with things we don't want to throughout our lives.
    I also hate exercising, but I do it anyway cause if I don't it will literally kill me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post

    Unless someone is a registered investor in Square Enix, they don't have any right to that type of information beyond whatever public disclosures are required by law.

    If you think a company is engaging in shady accounting practices, why are you doing business with them? Why not go find a game where you feel the company is properly investing back in their product?
    You misunderstand me. I am under no delusion that Square should publish any of that information. I'm simply saying that there's no reason to believe the claim that they're re-investing mog station money directly into the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilyPendragon View Post
    You misunderstand me. I am under no delusion that Square should publish any of that information. I'm simply saying that there's no reason to believe the claim that they're re-investing mog station money directly into the game.
    There's no reason to believe they're not. People will have their opinions on what's being done, but the fact is the service remains pretty consistent and they're doing more and adding more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    There's no reason to believe they're not.
    That's not how the burden of proof works. Don't get me wrong, I don't give two damns about the mog station one way or the other, but unless it can be shown to be true, the claim that they re-invest all their mog station money into the game will remain unproven. People just take it on faith that when they were told that is the case, that it is true.
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