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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    It's not like tbn and oblation don't exist and offer far more value.
    Both skills combined give less value than a single use of Nascent Flash, I dont know what you're smoking there.
    Using TBN/Oblation selflessly doesn't even give the DRK anything other than more oGCDs to weave.

    Nacent Flash lets WAR heal itself AND its target. The most you can get from a team TBN is they break it for you and refund its cost, you know the cost that Nascent Flash doesnt even have.

    I'd actually argue that Nascent Flash is one of the most busted, cracked skills in the game right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    Both skills combined give less value than a single use of Nascent Flash, I dont know what you're smoking there.
    Using TBN/Oblation selflessly doesn't even give the DRK anything other than more oGCDs to weave.

    Nacent Flash lets WAR heal itself AND its target. The most you can get from a team TBN is they break it for you and refund its cost, you know the cost that Nascent Flash doesnt even have.

    I'd actually argue that Nascent Flash is one of the most busted, cracked skills in the game right now.
    No, they do not. You are vastly overestimating the healing of Bloodwhetting/Nascent in a a raid setting.

    TBN by itself is more than double the shield potency of Bloodwhetting on a 10s shorter CD. Paired with Oblation, it's straight up better in terms of raw mitigation by a fairly massive amount. Naturally, the healing component of Bloodwhetting serves to balance them out but the notion TBN + Oblation is somehow inferior is simply wrong. Even when you used on another target, the difference isn't much. Although, in that scenario, Nascent can come out ahead if the Warrior has IR or Inner Chaos to feed into it.

    With all that said, healing as a whole has less value than mitigation and shielding. There's a reason shields are considered better than regens. In the case of TBN, not only are you gaining essentially 25,000 HP when used on yourself, it doesn't have any depreciating value when stacked with other mitigation.

    A prime example of how powerful Dark Knight's mitigation suite can be is in fights like P2S. Warrior needs a buffed Shake, Vengeance, Rampart and Bloodwhetting to zero out the damage from Spoken/Winged Cataract. Dark Knight, on the other hand, can accomplish the same thing with just Dark Mind, Shadow Wall and TBN.

    None of this is to say Bloodwhetting is a bad CD. Far from it. People just need to stop treating it as some insanely broken ability outside of dungeons. In raids, it's simply decent. In fact, Heart of Corundum is straight up better.
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    Last edited by ForteNightshade; 09-22-2022 at 05:16 PM.
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