Warrior potency

[Vatom]

Wait is someone saying BW is worst then TBN... Seriously were having this convo?

[Rithy255]

Wait is someone saying BW is worst then TBN... Seriously were having this convo?

Apparently it is, I can see Situations where TBN can be better, but BW is so much better in 80% of those scenarios with no down side of using it incorrectly.

I don't even think TBN is bad But Bloodwhetting is way better it's way more stacked, even if we ignored the Massive self sustain effect, which is good for autos, Dots ect. The 20% (OR 10% + 10%) and small shield is still pretty damn good at reducing damage. (but yeah 1600 potency heal on you and ANOTHER target aka nascent flash) isn't weak it really helps both tanks survive a lot better with the DOT effects.

Do I think warrior could have done with a little more? yes But I think it should be lower then any other tank (BY a very very small amount).

[Undeadfire]

Apparently it is, I can see Situations where TBN can be better, but BW is so much better in 80% of those scenarios with no down side of using it incorrectly.

I don't even think TBN is bad But Bloodwhetting is way better it's way more stacked, even if we ignored the Massive self sustain effect, which is good for autos, Dots ect. The 20% (OR 10% + 10%) and small shield is still pretty damn good at reducing damage. (but yeah 1600 potency heal on you and ANOTHER target aka nascent flash) isn't weak it really helps both tanks survive a lot better with the DOT effects.

Do I think warrior could have done with a little more? yes But I think it should be lower then any other tank (BY a very very small amount).

Bloodwhetting wouldn't work out mitigation wise for Drk/Gnb overall, stacking -% values reduces more value than it is actually intending 30%+20% only results around 40-45%. Drk TBN may have drawbacks but it pushes harder on raid buffs, taking advantage of an extra Edge charge, and avoids the % drawback. It works for Warrior since they only have Thrill which is basically selfish long CD TBN, and Equil. It has powerful self healing/HP increases in placement of damage reductions, it's pretty fair to be honest.

[NightHour]

taking advantage of an extra Edge charge

It's not really an "extra" edge charge at all.


You would of spent the 3,000 MP on Edge if you didn't need to TBN, it's just giving you what you would of used anyway.



Also Bloodwhetting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TBN and it's not even close.



TBN needs to be free, lose the edge proc and up CD to say 25.


Maybe make the edge proc into something like "If the shield does not break the target heals for say 350-400 cure potency"

[Undeadfire]

It's not really an "extra" edge charge at all.


You would of spent the 3,000 MP on Edge if you didn't need to TBN, it's just giving you what you would of used anyway.

Technically it is, I'm talking raid buff window and avoids over capping MP, you should think what I stated.

Also Bloodwhetting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TBN and it's not even close.

Stacking % mitigations penalties the gains. 30% + 10% isn't 40%, it's around 37%, further if added. TBN ignores mitigation penalties allowing Healers to mitigate more damage values with Aquaveil for example, and your tank partner chucking mitis, do not underestimate value.

Bloodwhetting is hell broken in dungeons. Raid content? It's pretty meh, and it's more meh this raid tier. TBNs low cooldown is underrated actually, damage negation from multi autos, AOEs: more DPS for Healers. Bloodwhetting in current raid tier cannot be effectively spammed, cooldown timings and needing it for DOT reduction from busters, barrier effectively do not reduce. Does that make TBN bad? No, Drk has 4 damage mitis than TBN and current raid tier, Dark Mind is nuts.

Bloodwhetting isn't as powerful as it's made out to be, only in dungeons.

[MrZalgo]

It's not really an "extra" edge charge at all.


You would of spent the 3,000 MP on Edge if you didn't need to TBN, it's just giving you what you would of used anyway.



Also Bloodwhetting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TBN and it's not even close.



TBN needs to be free, lose the edge proc and up CD to say 25.


Maybe make the edge proc into something like "If the shield does not break the target heals for say 350-400 cure potency"

TBN also doesn't suffer from mitigation penalties, which leaves room to adding extra mit on top of the shield. Oblation by itself is fairly weak but combined with TBN it mitigates way more damage than that of BW (This is due to BW at 4 sec being only 19% reduction, a 10% shield, and a weak self-heal in raid category. This is compared to TBN + Oblation which is a flat 35% damage reduction due to the shield reducing effectively 25% of the damage and the oblation is added on top of the TBN without penalty.).

TBN also allows you to bank mana for the 3/5 rotation for 2 minute buffs, allowing you to consistently break the mana cap and dish out a bunch of DPS on raid buffs.

TBN is also 15 seconds which CANNOT be understated as to how useful it is. Using TBN as soon as possible will result in you not only mitigating the TB itself, but you will still have enough time to use TBN in the middle of the DOT, reducing even more damage and giving another proc of Dark Arts. This can't be done with HOC or BW since they are on 25 second cooldowns.

TBN and Oblation can also be passed to other party members. I don't even need to explain why that is so good.

Honestly I would hate for TBN to be changed. As of its current state it is fine and more broken than ever honestly with the addition of Oblation.

[Vatom]

IDK if you kids forgot or not but people fought hard to get bloodbath aka BW back for WAR in ShB and Now your asking for DMG
Not saying you don't deserve more dmg but once you open this jar your going to lose something
A lot of DRK complain about TBN not breaking in ShB when EW dropped DRK was dying to everything and that's with oblation
I would say this is a Blizzard moment where you think you know but you don't but I'm not that arrogant I'm just stating a warning as to where this could lead
If you want a TANK that does DPS dmg play a dps cause SE doesn't believe in that
But like I said not here to rain on your parade just noting this saying
Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer - it never fails

[Aluja89]

IDK if you kids forgot or not but people fought hard to get bloodbath aka BW back for WAR in ShB and Now your asking for DMG
Not saying you don't deserve more dmg but once you open this jar your going to lose something
A lot of DRK complain about TBN not breaking in ShB when EW dropped DRK was dying to everything and that's with oblation
I would say this is a Blizzard moment where you think you know but you don't but I'm not that arrogant I'm just stating a warning as to where this could lead
If you want a TANK that does DPS dmg play a dps cause SE doesn't believe in that
But like I said not here to rain on your parade just noting this saying
Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer - it never fails

My guy... WHAT? Self sustain is a tank thing these are not mutually exclusive, where WAR shines in self heals DRK shines in mitigation, but Souleater is simply not enough it needs something a bit more for sustain.

Damage just needs to be balanced.

[Vatom]

My guy... WHAT? Self sustain is a tank thing these are not mutually exclusive, where WAR shines in self heals DRK shines in mitigation, but Souleater is simply not enough it needs something a bit more for sustain.

Damage just needs to be balanced.

I could say the same thing WHAT? I don't understand your point please elaborate.

[fulminating]

Can I not want heavensward warrior back?