"Balance team tests the fights themseslves"

[IkaraGreydancer]

I'll stand by my notion that fflogs have done more harm than good. XIV is a blast when you aren't fixated on numbers

[Gararr]

I\\'ll stand by my notion that fflogs have done more harm than good. XIV is a blast when you aren\\'t fixated on numbers

I'll stand by my notion that fflogs has done more good than harm. XIV is a blast when you can know your performance and help elevate your friends performance instead of being complacency ignorant. When people come together with like minded beliefs and performance the game is so much more fun

[LittleImp]

I'll stand by my notion that fflogs has done more good than harm. XIV is a blast when you can know your performance and help elevate your friends performance instead of being complacency ignorant. When people come together with like minded beliefs and performance the game is so much more fun

I used to feel FFLogs was beneficial, but have become more and more jaded recently by my interactions with certain aspects of the high-end community. Ideas of player skill and worth have become too heavily associated with parse percentiles. Players are pressured into this misguided value system, and some of the side effects have been.. really unpleasant.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I used to feel FFLogs was beneficial, but have become more and more jaded recently by my interactions with certain aspects of the high-end community. Ideas of player skill and worth have become too heavily associated with parse percentiles. Players are pressured into this misguided value system, and some of the side effects have been.. really unpleasant.

The only good way to use fflogs is for comparisons against yourself.

There will always bee a bottom 1%. You could have the difference bettwen the top 1% and bottom 1% be 100 dps, and there would still be gray parses.

Sometimes the difference between getting blue and getting orange is only a few hundred dps.

People only focus on the % and color and don't understand meanings. It's why I hate the score graphs and such people always post.

[Packetdancer]

The only good way to use fflogs is for comparisons against yourself.

I actually disagree; I think it's also very useful to compare yourself to more skilled/optimal players. I have learned a lot about optimization in a given fight by finding people who perform better than I do, then examining the timelines of their fight logs.

[Rilifane]

fflogs has the same problem any tool like it tends to have tons of people not using it right or actually understanding it. it also has some major flaws. for example a week one orange parse which is basically the best a person who just hit 90 and started raiding this week could ever do will at some point become a grey parse and said player doing the best they possibly could and would most likely be a boon for any raid group will be treated like one of those idiots I could out dps by sitting on my key board.

I'm not even going to touch the hellish can of worms that comes from a voluntary sample method because that would take forever or more likely just kill everybody here

Not true.
The profile still shows the original parse because the profile always shows the historical ranking, meaning the parse of the clear period during which you killed the boss. If you click on the parse then you will see it in the context of the current clear period which will downgrade it in most cases but not nearly to the extend you're suggesting.
My first week clear of p1s was a 76 at the time we cleared and is still shown as such on my profile. If you click on the parse, it's a 36. So it went from barely-purple to mid-green. The 95 from my co heal would have been a 53 in the context of the latest clear period which is aginst people in full BiS. That's a far cry from orange to grey.
And since someone looking up a person will always have to go through their profile unless given the link to a specific kill, the historical ranking is what they will see first.
So no, an orange-parsing first week raider will not be treated like an idiot because their parse got downgraded to blue at most.

I actually disagree; I think it's also very useful to compare yourself to more skilled/optimal players. I have learned a lot about optimization in a given fight by finding people who perform better than I do, then examining the timelines of their fight logs.

Same here.
I learned a lot and got several good ideas just be peeking over the shoulders of better players. How do they solve certain mechanics in terms of cooldowns? How did they deal with stuns/ phase transitions that interrupt the flow of their rotation? How did that BLM managed to get 100% Ley Line uptime? One player can never have the same wealth of ideas on how to solve mechanics than a collective of good players.

[ty_taurus]

I'll stand by my notion that fflogs have done more harm than good. XIV is a blast when you aren't fixated on numbers

Logs are only used for Savage level content because, as this most recent tier has shown, you kind of need to know how your party is overall matching up to the content for early clears. Sure I guess Extremes too to an extent, but the DPS checks in Extreme are very lax. It's not like people are tracking logs on your 12th run of the fell court of Troia.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Logs are only used for Savage level content because, as this most recent tier has shown, you kind of need to know how your party is overall matching up to the content for early clears. Sure I guess Extremes too to an extent, but the DPS checks in Extreme are very lax. It's not like people are tracking logs on your 12th run of the fell court of Troia.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is. That doesn't really change what I'm saying tbf