"Balance team tests the fights themseslves"

[LittleImp]

HP got reduced, problem solved. Mistakes were made, apparently. I understand the problem, but it's making mountains out of mole hills.

No, it really really isn't.

Two tiers in a row this has happened. That's 2/3 of the expansions raid tiers, and we only get 3 of them total every two years. This is the content that keeps an entire section of the playerbase coming back, and it's been crap two times in a row, and has only gotten worse the second time around.

This is the exact kind of stuff the people that love to bash WoW constantly for will cite as major problems in WoW. I know a bunch of people who saw the situation this tier and either quit when they reached p8s, or decided not to raid at all. It's not good for people to feel alienated by the content that brings them back to the game.

There is absolutely no sign this won't just happen a third time, and be even worse than the first two times, so people are reasonably extremely concerned at the direction job design and encounter design is being taken.

[Nizzi]

What was the point in putting in all of this effort to gut and homogenize almost every unique and interesting job, turning them into the same flavors of assorted gruel if the balance is still this bad?

If SE is going to give us this level of imbalance, can they at least make the jobs distinct again?

[Packetdancer]

What if Deep Dungeon was made nearly unclearable with certain jobs for similar reasons?

I mean, I'll point out that the fan-calculated S/A/B/C/F tier ranking of "which jobs are best for solo deep dungeon clears" had an entire separate category for AST during Shadowbringers labeled "Just Don't".

[TaleraRistain]

6 possible combinations of tanks (assuming no duplicates)
4 possible combinations of healers (assuming 1 pure healer and 1 barrier healer)
45 possible combinations of 3 DPS (1 out of 5 possible melee, 1 out of 3 possible casters, 1 out of 3 possible physical ranged)

Dating myself here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0i_ZFlGTVY

Use combinatorics, a faster way to count
Use combinatorics, you can multiply the amount
Use combinatorics, it's so easy to do
Use combinatorics when you need it
Let the numbers work for you

[Jeeqbit]

Response by Yoshi-P https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...340b373870140b

[Iyrnthota]

Attempting to ameliorate this by buffing certain jobs without making changes to the raid itself would have negatively impacted overall balance within each role, and likely resulted in disappointment for those whose jobs were already dealing sufficient damage for the raid and therefore received no adjustments.

I dunno, this reasoning just seems super flimsy to me.
I don't think if I were playing a BRD, I'd be dissapointed that MCH got buffed and I didn't, but that might be just me.

[xbahax92]

No, it really really isn't.

Two tiers in a row this has happened. That's 2/3 of the expansions raid tiers, and we only get 3 of them total every two years. This is the content that keeps an entire section of the playerbase coming back, and it's been crap two times in a row, and has only gotten worse the second time around.

This is the exact kind of stuff the people that love to bash WoW constantly for will cite as major problems in WoW. I know a bunch of people who saw the situation this tier and either quit when they reached p8s, or decided not to raid at all. It's not good for people to feel alienated by the content that brings them back to the game.

There is absolutely no sign this won't just happen a third time, and be even worse than the first two times, so people are reasonably extremely concerned at the direction job design and encounter design is being taken.

I thought only a small percentage of the playerbase only does savage, even less ultimates?
I dont know how this arguments holds up, as many players are just playing for the casual content. But one thing is certain, the entitlement in this thread reeks.

[Iyrnthota]

I thought only a small percentage of the playerbase only does savage, even less ultimates?
I dont know how this arguments holds up, as many players are just playing for the casual content. But one thing is certain, the entitlement in this thread reeks.

What's the point of even bring casuals into the discussion?
If this whole issue is stricly the 1% having issues, the 1% complaining about the balance that only affects them, and the changes made only affect the 1% with casuals being otherwise unaffected, why even bring them up?

I don't mean this disparagingly btw, I just don't see how they have a leg in the game here

[Xuled]

They do test the fights and they’ve admitted on several occasions that they’re worse players than the hardcore segment of the playerbase. All in all, it’s only a 1% HP reduction and if you haven’t cleared, it’s a skill issue. Git Gud.

[Ransu]

Response by Yoshi-P https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...340b373870140b

Honestly I am surprised by this. That was a lot more detail than I'd expect a game producer to give out. Other MMO devs could learn a thing or two from Yoshi-P