can we talk about casters

[momokami]

okay this has been a big issue for a while but with 6.2 its somehow even worse, people have this weird idea that melee uptime is hard and thats why ranged jobs should be weak but in this expansion melee uptime is not a thing as a melee almost every fight has free uptime and if it doesnt the boss goes untargertable which makes me wonder why are ranged jobs getting taxed this high especially casters having to plan the fight so you never need to drop a cast bar and still do so little damage in comparison is very discouraging.

im not saying all casters and phys ranged should be higher than all melees its just that the variance between job damage this time is pretty big

i hope the devs reconsider the current balance.
(this is a repost cuz i posted it under the wrong forum)

[Supersnow845]

Casters and healers actually fighting for uptime while the melee play 10% damage up phys ranged is getting really old at this point

(Just gonna post this again)

[Saimeren]

Are you publicly admitting on an official forum that you openly use 3rd party damage meters?

[Kachou_]

Are you publicly admitting on an official forum that you openly use 3rd party damage meters?

No, the software he use is exactly the same with what devs use when they test jobs so it is 100% legal.

EXCEL

[remiff]

Are you publicly admitting on an official forum that you openly use 3rd party damage meters?

Think about it, you can have access to statistics without necessarily using 3rd party tools, because yes the majority of player who do savage raid use them,
and it's not a secret since the existence of mmorpgs.

and as this person mentions, calculating DPS is possible with EXCEL.

[Aikaal]

Are you publicly admitting on an official forum that you openly use 3rd party damage meters?

I don't know what you're talking about but there's this cool website that proves his point. I can't really tell how they managed to get all these numbers but they feel pretty accurate.



As a matter of fact, you do seem to be part of that website as I can see your existence.

Can I also forward you to the balance discord? The place where math wizards do their magic and actually shows that, indeed, melee DPS are physical ranged with 10% free damage while casters (except scummoner) and healers are fighting for uptime.

[YuuYun]

Ok so this is true the hit boxes need to revert back to the old savage hit box sizes where melees would actually have to greed for their uptime and not handed to them on a silver platter. Because its ridiculous to know that pfs meta is leaning toward 3 melee and 1 free dps slot to meet dps checks due to the difficulty in bringing “good” dmg especially on casters in P7S and such when the hitbox is ridiculously large which makes NO sense.

[angienessyo]

I'm raiding on NIN this tier but I've been playing RDM since Stormblood so I'm with you casters. At the very least SMN+RDM need to be close to the lowest melee. That's historically how things have generally been, at least with RDM as SMN was a different animal in the past. Last I looked RDM was even below the phys ranged which is unacceptable with how much the job has to fight for uptime. 2 accelerations and 1 swift isn't enough when many mobile parts will have RDM outside of melee range. The new EX was the first time I straight up refused to touch the fight with RDM and EX trials are usually my RDM time. Having a rez doesn't even justify it doing so poorly because "just swap to SMN/BLM after prog" is poor design.

[Sequora]

Ranged tax needs to go. They literally said in the notes that the fights this expansion have been designed with melee uptime in mind. Isn’t that literally the reason they’ve said in the past that ranged and caster DPS is lower?

[Reimmi]

Ranged tax needs to go. They literally said in the notes that the fights this expansion have been designed with melee uptime in mind. Isn’t that literally the reason they’ve said in the past that ranged and caster DPS is lower?

I played melee last tier, had absolutely 0 uptime problems, so i don't see why there's a ranged tax anymore.