Why the nerf to p8s?

[zabu]

Aaaaaah all the paladin and warrior mains were actually just much better on dark knight and gunbreaker all along. Not even they themselves knew! /s

It's not a problem of average skill level when at the top level of each job there are massive differences in damage output. This has been obvious for anyone willing to use their eyes since the start of the expansion. A tight dps check is now forcing everyone to open their eyes.

That is why I said, should nerf GNB and DRK instead of buffing PLD and WAR. When they tune stuff, they wont just look at top tier player, they will consider average player as well. There is no such game that can have "perfect" job balance. There is always miss here and there.

[Jeeqbit]

I generally don't think DPS checks need to be harsh to make a fight harder, I think failing the mechs and making the fight in general be hard would help move people away from a DPS obsessed meta

Had to stop at that bit. This is an MMO. People will never move away from being obsessed with DPS. People are obsessed with DPS even in normal content without an enrage. It's not like people tell healers to DPS in dungeons because of the off chance they'll become a world first racer whose DPS is required in the first week. They do it just because they are obsessed with DPS for the sake of it.

[FatalFatalis]

It's simple really.
This patch was a balance patch, they started with Warrior and Paladin buffs.
Then when they reached Machinist, they gave up (as usual) and just nerfed the fight that people had problems with.

[Saimeren]

Because by "fixing" the job balance with a 2min burst window, they created the biggest overall imbalance since Heavensward.

We're all "3 minute mages" now!

[Saraide]

That is why I said, should nerf GNB and DRK instead of buffing PLD and WAR. When they tune stuff, they wont just look at top tier player, they will consider average player as well. There is no such game that can have "perfect" job balance. There is always miss here and there.

So you agree that job balance is insuffiecent? It doesnt need to be perfect, it needs to be enough. Which it isnt right now. Also when it is mathematically impossible to hit the dps check with a "low damage group" then no amount of gitting gudder will help.

[Petite]

It sounds so weird to me to talk about this whole story of over-performing devs while they could just have improved caster and ranged DPS to a proper level.

Damn I feel bad for MCH. Hang tight guys.

[Rithy255]

Had to stop at that bit. This is an MMO. People will never move away from being obsessed with DPS. People are obsessed with DPS even in normal content without an enrage. It's not like people tell healers to DPS in dungeons because of the off chance they'll become a world first racer whose DPS is required in the first week. They do it just because they are obsessed with DPS for the sake of it.

Comparing to other games that don't focus all jobs such as healers and tanks to do dps, Not saying a "dps meta" is a bad thing but I'd like it to be less purely about dps I wanna choose a tank because of their mitigations and party support not Does more damage so always the best pick, people complain about hominization but also Think every tank should deal around the same damage and have similar tanking cds because changing that would make one job better then the others, It leads to less varity when the only real concern is Dps.

I also don't think a fight that depends somewhat on good RNG at times because crit/DH can make a massive difference on if you clear is good for the game, Of course you need dps checks but they shouldn't be why the fight is hard, it becomes a point where you will only pick the best job with the best dps, which isn't fun, I don't think "really hard DPS checks" are healthy for fight design It's not good design to have every job do the same amount of damage, Casters are a good example of having a utility vs damage situation that I think makes the game interesting. But even now because damage is so important in that fight you Couldn't really use a red mage, And I think Red mage should be pretty low compared to Blm it makes no sense why casters should be close.

[Imora]

Because they just nonchalant told us we're bad and need help to clear.

[AsakuraAsteria]

i cleared p8s first week, in my opinion i think job is not balance
SE choosed the WORST way to fix this problem

like srsly SE what are you doing?
you guys don't buff these weak jobs. instead, you nerf boss hp?


that's so stupid SE


from now you don't have to worry about job balance
keep nerfing boss hp

btw you buff WAR and PLD but what about MCH?

[Packetdancer]

They made the DPS check too tight for a last floor savage fight, maybe impossible depending on the team composition, and they are fixing it.

Bolding mine, because I think that right there is the reasoning. The dev team believes very strongly that every standard composition should be equally viable; whether or not they always achieve this (no), and whether or not this leads to job homogenization (possibly), we do know that's their stated intention. P8S was not viable with every standard party composition, which is something they almost certainly weren't going to let stand.

And if it was not viable because people were missing the DPS check by sub-1% values on some party comps even when playing near-perfectly, it was almost certainly easier to reduce the boss' hitpoints by 1% rather than to try to rebalance all the jobs in a hotfix patch. (Even if, arguably, the latter is the correct solution; it may be correct, but it was not going to be timely.)