Why the nerf to p8s?

[Rithy255]

I'm meh on harsh dps checks, I rather the fight be harder, Dps checks should generally ensure People should know their rotations, dps checks should exist.

If you wanna make failing a mech punishing, you could generally make the damage down do more, You can argue Jobs with utility should be doing less dps while also wanting it to being able to clear with any (standard) comp.

Don't get me wrong the main issue right now is actual Job balancing, but I generally don't think DPS checks need to be harsh to make a fight harder, I think failing the mechs and making the fight in general be hard would help move people away from a DPS obsessed meta, but if jobs were more close to each other it wouldn't be a issue outside How BLM should always generally be significantly higher then the other two casters.

[Jeeqbit]

I generally don't think DPS checks need to be harsh to make a fight harder, I think failing the mechs and making the fight in general be hard would help move people away from a DPS obsessed meta

Had to stop at that bit. This is an MMO. People will never move away from being obsessed with DPS. People are obsessed with DPS even in normal content without an enrage. It's not like people tell healers to DPS in dungeons because of the off chance they'll become a world first racer whose DPS is required in the first week. They do it just because they are obsessed with DPS for the sake of it.

[Rithy255]

Had to stop at that bit. This is an MMO. People will never move away from being obsessed with DPS. People are obsessed with DPS even in normal content without an enrage. It's not like people tell healers to DPS in dungeons because of the off chance they'll become a world first racer whose DPS is required in the first week. They do it just because they are obsessed with DPS for the sake of it.

Comparing to other games that don't focus all jobs such as healers and tanks to do dps, Not saying a "dps meta" is a bad thing but I'd like it to be less purely about dps I wanna choose a tank because of their mitigations and party support not Does more damage so always the best pick, people complain about hominization but also Think every tank should deal around the same damage and have similar tanking cds because changing that would make one job better then the others, It leads to less varity when the only real concern is Dps.

I also don't think a fight that depends somewhat on good RNG at times because crit/DH can make a massive difference on if you clear is good for the game, Of course you need dps checks but they shouldn't be why the fight is hard, it becomes a point where you will only pick the best job with the best dps, which isn't fun, I don't think "really hard DPS checks" are healthy for fight design It's not good design to have every job do the same amount of damage, Casters are a good example of having a utility vs damage situation that I think makes the game interesting. But even now because damage is so important in that fight you Couldn't really use a red mage, And I think Red mage should be pretty low compared to Blm it makes no sense why casters should be close.

[zabu]

People should really stop blaming things to job balance. There is never going to be "perfect" balance in a game. Savage already got pushed 1 week, we got extra piece of gear, there is no DPS check until p8s. People even cheese the mechanics with tank lb3 and healer lb 3 starting from day 2 of release. But guess what?!!! People still can not clear it. Too many people do not do their rotation properly or do not even use pot or proper food and still clear savage. Or we can have 4+ death and still clear the fight. Tanks DPS is almost like a real DPS already, should nerf DRK and GNB instead of buff PLD and WAR. Savage supposed to be a non-casual content, but now it act like a casual content. Face with it, skill level of average player just really bad, but SE just can not say that way.

[Saraide]

People should really stop blaming things to job balance. Savage already got pushed 1 week, we got extra piece of gear, there is no DPS check until p8s. People even cheese the mechanics with tank lb3 and healer lb 3 starting from day 2 of release. But guess what?!!! People still can not clear it. Too many people do not do their rotation properly or do not even use pot or proper food and still clear savage. Or we can have 4+ death and still clear the fight. Tanks DPS is almost like a real DPS already, should nerf DRK and GNB instead of buff PLD and WAR. Savage supposed to be a non-casual content, but now it act like a casual content. Face with it, skill level of average player just really bad, but SE just can not say that way.

Aaaaaah all the paladin and warrior mains were actually just much better on dark knight and gunbreaker all along. Not even they themselves knew! /s

It's not a problem of average skill level when at the top level of each job there are massive differences in damage output. This has been obvious for anyone willing to use their eyes since the start of the expansion. A tight dps check is now forcing everyone to open their eyes.

[zabu]

Aaaaaah all the paladin and warrior mains were actually just much better on dark knight and gunbreaker all along. Not even they themselves knew! /s

It's not a problem of average skill level when at the top level of each job there are massive differences in damage output. This has been obvious for anyone willing to use their eyes since the start of the expansion. A tight dps check is now forcing everyone to open their eyes.

That is why I said, should nerf GNB and DRK instead of buffing PLD and WAR. When they tune stuff, they wont just look at top tier player, they will consider average player as well. There is no such game that can have "perfect" job balance. There is always miss here and there.

[Saraide]

That is why I said, should nerf GNB and DRK instead of buffing PLD and WAR. When they tune stuff, they wont just look at top tier player, they will consider average player as well. There is no such game that can have "perfect" job balance. There is always miss here and there.

So you agree that job balance is insuffiecent? It doesnt need to be perfect, it needs to be enough. Which it isnt right now. Also when it is mathematically impossible to hit the dps check with a "low damage group" then no amount of gitting gudder will help.

[FatalFatalis]

It's simple really.
This patch was a balance patch, they started with Warrior and Paladin buffs.
Then when they reached Machinist, they gave up (as usual) and just nerfed the fight that people had problems with.

[Imora]

Because they just nonchalant told us we're bad and need help to clear.

[AsakuraAsteria]

i cleared p8s first week, in my opinion i think job is not balance
SE choosed the WORST way to fix this problem

like srsly SE what are you doing?
you guys don't buff these weak jobs. instead, you nerf boss hp?


that's so stupid SE


from now you don't have to worry about job balance
keep nerfing boss hp

btw you buff WAR and PLD but what about MCH?