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  1. #31
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    Derio's Avatar
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    Derio Uzumaki
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    DRK is in a good spot right now though. We wont really feel the pain until savage dungeons come out and people start excluding GNB and DRK due to lack of self sustain.
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  2. #32
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Atreides View Post
    I mean sure give DRK more sustain, the tradeoff would be 10% dps. I'm sure every DRK would rejoice. /s
    Yes, we would. WE REALLY WOULD if it meant no more Enhanced Unmend, and Oblation being actually useful. DRK is the one tank most in need of a rework (at least partial). What other tank is 1-2-3 with no other combos? What other tank has a unique defensive cooldown that PUNISHES you for mistiming it by you losing DPS? What other tank has a cooldown only useful for magic damage? What other tank has a buff needed for their gauge moves but has no use outside of them with no danger of losing it? What other tank lacks self-sustain on this level? What other tank has had almost everything stripped from it since it was first added to the game and had all of that given to the other tanks? Nobody but DRK.
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    Last edited by RyuDragnier; 09-14-2022 at 03:12 AM.

  3. #33
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    Oizen's Avatar
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Marilith
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    But bro, they have the best performance in niche content that the majority of the community doesn't even do.

    Why balance the game for general content when we can balance everything around a singular week of content that wont even be relevant in a month?
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  4. #34
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    Jordyn Starcaller
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    Excalibur
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Martynek View Post
    You know... except being the highest damage tanks, getting almost every rework you've ever asked for in 6.1, and having almost every raid's damage output balanced around DRK's magic damage masochism fetish.

    You go one patch without buffs and act like the world's ending. Get the hell over yourself, dude.
    I don't think any DRK that has played before ShB asked for any of the changes we got in ShB. And there really werent any changes in END, just QOL that should of been fixed within 2 weeks of ShB launch but they didn't. Were litterally oGCD filled WARs now without the self sustain.

    Also DRK's can't even pull bosses without losing a lot of DPS in opener, so no DRK is an OT. If you wanna swap to MT after opener you can certainly do that but having a DRK start the fight with unmend sucks.

    And lastly... why are you white knighting so hard? Your litterally in all of these topics pretending like none of the complaints are legit and were all just whining out our butts because were losers without a life. Maybe there is an issue? Have you thought about that? SE has already proven that if no one complains (on the forum specifically at that) they will do absolutely nothing at all and assume the game is fine. This thread isn't even asking for more damage, just that if others are getting damage closer to DRK that we get sustain closer to them? Who cares if we have most damage or not, just make it so were not actively trolling our healers. (tho honestly DRK in savage right now is not doing that, WAR is imo)
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    "However, as extra time was dedicated to testing this battle, the team's overall performance proved to be higher than usual" -Patch 6.21

  5. #35
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    Sazuzaki's Avatar
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    Sazu Velgr
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    Jenova
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    While I agree DRK sucks to play and needs a rework, they should focus on making the other tanks actually viable. After that, we can go back to being salty about Delirium.
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  6. #36
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sazuzaki View Post
    While I agree DRK sucks to play and needs a rework, they should focus on making the other tanks actually viable. After that, we can go back to being salty about Delirium.
    The only problem with PLD/WAR is the DPS, which may have been fixed enough by the patch today. We'll find out after a few days when the reclear numbers are in.
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  7. #37
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    Undeadfire's Avatar
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    Nova' Dragon
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    Phoenix
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    Paladin Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    The only problem with PLD/WAR is the DPS, which may have been fixed enough by the patch today. We'll find out after a few days when the reclear numbers are in.
    Hasn't been fixed, Pld is getting a rework in 6.3 or 6.4, and that is severely needed compared to how outdated the job is and provides nothing useful than being a griefer.

    War is only closer to GNB, that's it, not on par.
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  8. #38
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Undeadfire View Post
    Hasn't been fixed, Pld is getting a rework in 6.3 or 6.4, and that is severely needed compared to how outdated the job is and provides nothing useful than being a griefer.

    War is only closer to GNB, that's it, not on par.
    I forgot to check the job adjustment notes. A friend sent me that a minute ago, and I'm kind of surprised they're reworking PLD. Then again...a lot of people SEEMED to like it? Or at least people I talked to about the job in my FC didn't have issues with it during the first patch.
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  9. #39
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    Nova' Dragon
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    Phoenix
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    Paladin Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    I forgot to check the job adjustment notes. A friend sent me that a minute ago, and I'm kind of surprised they're reworking PLD. Then again...a lot of people SEEMED to like it? Or at least people I talked to about the job in my FC didn't have issues with it during the first patch.
    Here's the thing, SE have kept watch with new Savages and people are barely picking Paladin, hell far more people are picking War over it. Asphodelos a lot of week 1 raiders regretted being Pld including myself for how poor it is compared to what DRK/GNB did. Abyssos? Extremely low % passed P8S P1 check due to them having meta DPS carrying them. Everyone else failed, or switch to GNB/DRK straight out to beat the fight.

    The only people liking it are not those players.
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  10. #40
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Marilith
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    I forgot to check the job adjustment notes. A friend sent me that a minute ago, and I'm kind of surprised they're reworking PLD. Then again...a lot of people SEEMED to like it? Or at least people I talked to about the job in my FC didn't have issues with it during the first patch.
    Pepole do like it, but PLD doesn't conform to the Fell Cleave spam that 2 minute burst window tank gameplay is meant to be about.

    So I'd be afraid of whats to come 6.3, pray for our PLD brothers.
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