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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck View Post
    It has gotten so bad, that when you go into any pug instance with other players you can actually see who has almost flawless timing avoiding mechanics. Hence cheating.
    or maybe they have done it enough times to know how to do the mechanic properly? i do not understand this. in most endgame content, you have to do flawless timing in order to avoid the mechanics. why is your first response that they are cheaters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zomkei View Post
    or maybe they have done it enough times to know how to do the mechanic properly? i do not understand this. in most endgame content, you have to do flawless timing in order to avoid the mechanics. why is your first response that they are cheaters?
    It's pretty easy to tell. In P8S doorboss for example, you will see certain players move to avoid mechanics that haven't even actually become possible to read on the client yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    It's pretty easy to tell. In P8S doorboss for example, you will see certain players move to avoid mechanics that haven't even actually become possible to read on the client yet.
    So...pre-positioning? That thing you can do when you know the fight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iyrnthota View Post
    So...pre-positioning? That thing you can do when you know the fight?
    Do you think it was 'pre-positioning' and 'fight knowledge' back in P3S or A11S where ACT/Cactbot was able to instantly identify optical sights before it was ever telegraphed clientside?

    For some mechanics, the ID of what specific permutation the boss is executing is visible to a parser before it is ever visibly telegraphed on the client.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    Do you think it was 'pre-positioning' and 'fight knowledge' back in P3S or A11S where ACT/Cactbot was able to instantly identify optical sights before it was ever telegraphed clientside?

    For some mechanics, the ID of what specific permutation the boss is executing is visible to a parser before it is ever visibly telegraphed on the client.
    Please refer to my previous email in which I....etc etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    Do you think it was 'pre-positioning' and 'fight knowledge' back in P3S or A11S where ACT/Cactbot was able to instantly identify optical sights before it was ever telegraphed clientside?

    For some mechanics, the ID of what specific permutation the boss is executing is visible to a parser before it is ever visibly telegraphed on the client.
    Aaaaaand it's irrelevant. This would only matter if you hadnt enough time based on the legit tells any attack has. Is cactbot cringe? Yes. Does it warrant infecting the game with anti cheat? No. Anticheat doesnt prevent cheating, no game dev is winning that arm's race. More competent people have tried and failed. Anti cheat however will cause tons of problems for people who arent cheating, always have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Aaaaaand it's irrelevant. This would only matter if you hadnt enough time based on the legit tells any attack has. Is cactbot cringe? Yes. Does it warrant infecting the game with anti cheat? No. Anticheat doesnt prevent cheating, no game dev is winning that arm's race. More competent people have tried and failed. Anti cheat however will cause tons of problems for people who arent cheating, always have.
    I never agued in favor of an anti-cheat.

    It just gets old watching people try to justify that a program that automates and shortcuts aspects of the games combat (which is explicitly prohibited by the developers) somehow isn't cheating. Most of the people that argue in favor of these kinds of programs very obviously have little to no understanding of how they work, or how obvious it is when someone is crutching on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zomkei View Post
    why is your first response that they are cheaters?
    "IF I CAN'T DO IT, NO ONE CAN! WAAAAH!" Is usually the mindset in this kind of thing. Those who can't, often and usually claim no one else could either.
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