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    Raoabolic's Avatar
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    Raogrimm Ironfist
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    Meanwhile SE is using Windower to showcase FFXI, lmao.
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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raoabolic View Post
    Meanwhile SE is using Windower to showcase FFXI, lmao.
    The game allows you to window it and tab out of it now. Why would they need to use windower?
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    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Harun Asubra
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    Zodiark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    The game allows you to window it and tab out of it now. Why would they need to use windower?
    Windower is a launcher that enables Plugins for FF11. You know... Like -redacted-, which our devs kinda don't want us to use.
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    Zabu Jinjahl
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Cheating add on is really minority. Additionally, Having add on does not mean a clear man. Look at p7s way mark. People still cant clear it. If you cant do your rotation, even god tier's add on cant give you a clear
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    Firkmann Solksthalsyn
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    The amount of people I have literally seen justifying using add-ons on this thread during initial fights when they first appear during a patch drop and intentionally conflating this with knowing a fight because you've done it a hundred times for example is absolutely incredible to me.

    They will intentionally defend by every metric what is cheating by knowing the mechanics ahead of time during their initial first time doing a fight and yet somehow they consider it not cheating. Just wow!
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    Lorelai Oshidari
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck View Post
    The amount of people I have literally seen justifying using add-ons on this thread during initial fights when they first appear during a patch drop and intentionally conflating this with knowing a fight because you've done it a hundred times for example is absolutely incredible to me.

    They will intentionally defend by every metric what is cheating by knowing the mechanics ahead of time during their initial first time doing a fight and yet somehow they consider it not cheating. Just wow!
    Might as well crusade against YouTubers at that point because you can easily watch a video and learn the fight before going in. Is that cheating too? Smh. Xeno literally had a P5S clear guide up within four hours of savage launching.

    You don't know if someone is using plugins or not when you're running with a group unless you can physically see or hear the plugin. Some people have godly reflexes, some people just can assume how mechanics work based on previous experience with it in other fights (limit cut is a great example since that appears in multiple). My entire static for P5S & P6S did homebrew blind strats and finished both within the first couple of days...are we all just running cact? Lmao.

    You underestimate how good some people in the community can be and that's a shame.
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    Buka Chu
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    get a life LOL

    man really trying to win bozo awards
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    Jasnah Kohlin
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck View Post

    Now the main motivation for this for me stems from my own experience. I play 14 on the PS5. I don't play on PC like I used to because of accessibility issues. PS5 players cannot use add-ons and many do also play on PS5 would also like to use add-ons but can't(even if I wouldn't recommend it). And yet again, this gives PC players an unfair advantage doing content especially if they use add-ons.
    Talk about crabs in a bucket mentality
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck View Post
    Let me make this short and sweet...
    In my honest opinion, if you use add-ons you are cheating. Add-ons is why I no longer do Savage raids. The lack of add-ons is why I came to play Final Fantasy XIV from World of Warcraft starting with beta.

    It has gotten so bad, that when you go into any pug instance with other players you can actually see who has almost flawless timing avoiding mechanics. Hence cheating.

    Now the main motivation for this for me stems from my own experience. I play 14 on the PS5. I don't play on PC like I used to because of accessibility issues. PS5 players cannot use add-ons and many do also play on PS5 would also like to use add-ons but can't(even if I wouldn't recommend it). And yet again, this gives PC players an unfair advantage doing content especially if they use add-ons.

    I already know I'm going to get vitriol for this post, but I don't care because I will speak facts. If you use add-ons, Square Enix needs to implement a detector for those add-ons and you need to be penalized for cheating because that's exactly what you're doing. There is no Gray zone to this, using computer programs to give you prompts in fight mechanics is nowhere near equatable to any other thing other than botting.

    If you cheat, you should face the consequences of you cheating because it's exactly what add-ons are in ff14!
    I agree to some extent that using cactbot and triggers really does give you an advantage over others, else people wouldn't use them in the first place besides for accessibility. But your reasoning for quitting savage raiding doesn't make sense to me.

    That's like quiting cycling because some people use electric-assisted bicycles. Sucks you're not playing on an even field, but why would you bar yourself from doing stuff you like because of others? As long as it doesn't affect how the devs design their fights like it does in WoW, it doesn't truly matter.
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    Yoko Ceres
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    I still remember that time at the 2.0 when Yoshi.P did promise to gives access to addon into the game and gave players some joy, but we never saw it, and now it exists, the promise long await that is now forbidden...
    As for me, i stopped playing end game, because it's giving me headache, with some ADHD troubles, i can't concentrate on the battlefield, there's to much information coming from everywhere. i wished i could have legal addon for that...
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    Il est possible de dépassé la limite des 1ooo caractères, il suffit d'éditer son post ~

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