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    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coupain View Post
    This post :|
    1 - Cactbot just does call-outs, it doesn't resolve the mechanic for you. And if it does, it tells you where you need to go, and...
    2 - Even if they tell you what mechanic is coming, you're still gonna have to know how to handle it. And given how PF has murdered my sanity, I can say for sure that people will struggle with performing basic tasks even if they know it's coming. Look, if even with human call-outs they say "Go to A" and people screw up, it's not it being a robot that will make it any different.
    3 - Can someone please explain to me why this is even considered "cheating"? Because Playstation people can't do it, is that it...? How did people on PC even manage to get world first in order to make those triggers in the first place? The only thing it cheats on is people's fragile-as-ice ego because they want to hold some ridiculous notion of success out of a videogame. Touch grass if you're this competitive, jesus...
    4 - "How is it that some players who clear Ultimates and therefore have superior intelligence/memory/comprehension to others are mostly out of work when they could be NASA researchers?" ....ok sometimes I have issues understanding these things, but this sounds like a troll post. Is this a troll post? Did I get baited?
    6 - "A good way to compare PC and Playstation gamers would be to have a console-only data center (with no travel possible for PC gamers), I think clear rates/ranking on the dps meter/economy would be very different, Why Square Enix dont do that ?"
    ...please tell me you're a troll.
    Square won't do that because that's kind of one of the appeals in this game, that PS people can play with their PC friends!

    Fun fact, I'd never have met my friend who's since cleared every Ultimate apart from Dragonsong had she been relegated off to some other server because she used to play on PS4.

    Just because you have accessibility, it doesn't mean you're cheating. And just because you're getting a robot calling you out, it doesn't mean that it's cheating either. The only thing you're cheating is the ToS that says "please don't use third party tools in general". Otherwise, you haven't out-cleared anyone, you have performed better than the people who worked their butts off to clear the content and improve to a certain percentile. And you're really just cheating out of this illusory race for anonymous superiority.

    If people are the kind to feel so angy over that, then congratulations, you're holding the biggest L in the universe :T

    If accessibility is cheating, then I'm doomed. Because I need to use specific Nvidia shaders to handle with colourblindness in this game, because the innate colourblindness settings they have are either too weak or way too strong for me.


    Post limits are the actual hell.

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    A large part of doing mechanics is being able to read their tells and solve them. If you were playing a game like Sudoku or a Crossword and a computer was giving you all of the answers, would you say it isn't cheating because you're manually writing them in the boxes?
    Not really :I But that's because I'm lazy. If I don't want to be challenged all the time or, hell, struggle with some stuff (playing this game is a little bit more involved than solving sudoku, I'm sorry), why not have auxilliary support?

    I know it's not the same as Cactbot, but again I point to the fact that I kinda need a third party tool to be able to see some stuff if I want to enjoy the game. So if there are people out there who struggle with Sudoku, I say "go for it honey", because I personally see zero problem with them "cheating" at something if it means they get to enjoy it. You could argue "But they won't enjoy it like an original experience", but the fact is that that original experience is what's unenjoyable to them in the first place.

    Plus, some rewards are locked behind Savage. Not everyone should strive to clear Savage just for those rewards unlike people who ACTUALLY care about the Savage fight itself that much.

    The alternative is "just don't do this content". But would you tell me to not do content just because I can't see stuff without a shader on?

    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    Because it fundamentally automates a portion of the games intended execution, and is explicitly banned by the company that operates the game and defines what is fair and what is not.

    Cactbot does not just make simple callouts. It reads data instantly that is typically invisible to the client, and solves mechanics instantly given that data.

    The only people with hurt egos are the people who go through insane mental gymnastics to try to justify that Cactbot isn't a cheat program. I don't even care that much if people use it, but good lord just recognize it for what it is lol.
    Yeah, and on my previous post on this, I specifically stated that the only thing this is actively harming is the ToS that specifically says "Don't use third party tools in general". THAT should be respected.

    What I'm referring to hurt egos is the fact that you have people calling it "cheating" and such as if it directly harms them. It doesn't. Savage isn't a competition, it's just content.
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    Last edited by Midareyukki; 09-15-2022 at 12:21 AM.