Square Enix needs to make a add-on detector!

[Coupain]

I'm just going to state facts and ask questions that I would like to have answered as a console gamer.

If the plugins are not cheating like Cacbot that some players use I quote them as "comfort", how come there has never been in the world any complete team of 8 playstation players who managed to clear an ultimate? Are there any videos of a team of 8 console players getting to clear Ultimate ?

How is it that no team of 8 Playstation players (not 1 or 2 players but the 8) is in the first places of the world race? How is it that some players who clear Ultimates and therefore have superior intelligence/memory/comprehension to others are mostly out of work when they could be NASA researchers?

A good way to compare PC and Playstation gamers would be to have a console-only data center (with no travel possible for PC gamers), I think clear rates/ranking on the dps meter/economy would be very different, Why Square Enix dont do that ?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I'm just going to state facts and ask questions that I would like to have answered as a console gamer.

If the plugins are not cheating like Cacbot that some players use I quote them as "comfort", how come there has never been in the world any complete team of 8 playstation players who managed to clear an ultimate? Are there any videos of a team of 8 console players getting to clear Ultimate ?

How is it that no team of 8 Playstation players (not 1 or 2 players but the 8) is in the first places of the world race? How is it that some players who clear Ultimates and therefore have superior intelligence/memory/comprehension to others are mostly out of work when they could be NASA researchers?

A good way to compare PC and Playstation gamers would be to have a console-only data center (with no travel possible for PC gamers), I think clear rates/ranking on the dps meter/economy would be very different, Why Square Enix dont do that ?

Because segregation for the sake of proving 8 console chads can raid and clear together does nothing, realistically.

Despite the console population being fairly high for this game, thanks to continued console support, there is also a significant amount of PC players, meaning that statistically it is not impossible but unlikely to just end up with 8 console players without bruteforcing it.

And what exactly would 8 players on console prove? That you can clear content without plugins? What about 8 players on PC not using plugins but using controllers? <s> Oh forgive, I forgot - every PC player is a chance they have plugins, thus the data is no longer valid. </s>

All a console-only datacenter would achieve is player segregation and massively hampered queue times just to appease a crowd being angry at PC players having access to a Plugin API while they do not.

[rainichan]

I'm just going to state facts and ask questions that I would like to have answered as a console gamer.

If the plugins are not cheating like Cacbot that some players use I quote them as "comfort", how come there has never been in the world any complete team of 8 playstation players who managed to clear an ultimate? Are there any videos of a team of 8 console players getting to clear Ultimate ?

How is it that no team of 8 Playstation players (not 1 or 2 players but the 8) is in the first places of the world race? How is it that some players who clear Ultimates and therefore have superior intelligence/memory/comprehension to others are mostly out of work when they could be NASA researchers?

A good way to compare PC and Playstation gamers would be to have a console-only data center (with no travel possible for PC gamers), I think clear rates/ranking on the dps meter/economy would be very different, Why Square Enix dont do that ?

Not going to add to what Reinhardt said irt clearing content because he talked about clearing content, but irt "why no console only": SE has already said no, and they said it to Microsoft. Before they finally came to an agreement before Endwalker, the two things that SE said "absolutely not" to were the requirement of needing Xbox Gold to play, and Xbox-only servers. PS+ is not required for PS4/PS5 players to play because Yoshida found it absurd for players to not only be paying a monthly sub for XIV, but a sub fee for PS+ on top of that, and console-only servers would only hurt the console community. As Reinhardt said, the console player base is pretty sizeable, but not compared to the PC players. They would likely end up merging servers into each other before players actively called to go back to a mixed population of console/pc. Segregating them is not the way to do it, and Yoshida knows it.

[LianaThorne]

I'm just going to state facts and ask questions that I would like to have answered as a console gamer.

If the plugins are not cheating like Cacbot that some players use I quote them as "comfort", how come there has never been in the world any complete team of 8 playstation players who managed to clear an ultimate? Are there any videos of a team of 8 console players getting to clear Ultimate ?

How is it that no team of 8 Playstation players (not 1 or 2 players but the 8) is in the first places of the world race? How is it that some players who clear Ultimates and therefore have superior intelligence/memory/comprehension to others are mostly out of work when they could be NASA researchers?

A good way to compare PC and Playstation gamers would be to have a console-only data center (with no travel possible for PC gamers), I think clear rates/ranking on the dps meter/economy would be very different, Why Square Enix dont do that ?

I love the blatant assumption that if you're smart and can raid you must be out of a job. This has to be a troll now.

[Midareyukki]

This post :|

1 - Cactbot just does call-outs, it doesn't resolve the mechanic for you. And if it does, it tells you where you need to go, and...
2 - Even if they tell you what mechanic is coming, you're still gonna have to know how to handle it. And given how PF has murdered my sanity, I can say for sure that people will struggle with performing basic tasks even if they know it's coming. Look, if even with human call-outs they say "Go to A" and people screw up, it's not it being a robot that will make it any different.
3 - Can someone please explain to me why this is even considered "cheating"? Because Playstation people can't do it, is that it...? How did people on PC even manage to get world first in order to make those triggers in the first place? The only thing it cheats on is people's fragile-as-ice ego because they want to hold some ridiculous notion of success out of a videogame. Touch grass if you're this competitive, jesus...
4 - "How is it that some players who clear Ultimates and therefore have superior intelligence/memory/comprehension to others are mostly out of work when they could be NASA researchers?" ....ok sometimes I have issues understanding these things, but this sounds like a troll post. Is this a troll post? Did I get baited?
6 - "A good way to compare PC and Playstation gamers would be to have a console-only data center (with no travel possible for PC gamers), I think clear rates/ranking on the dps meter/economy would be very different, Why Square Enix dont do that ?"
...please tell me you're a troll.
Square won't do that because that's kind of one of the appeals in this game, that PS people can play with their PC friends!

Fun fact, I'd never have met my friend who's since cleared every Ultimate apart from Dragonsong had she been relegated off to some other server because she used to play on PS4.

Just because you have accessibility, it doesn't mean you're cheating. And just because you're getting a robot calling you out, it doesn't mean that it's cheating either. The only thing you're cheating is the ToS that says "please don't use third party tools in general". Otherwise, you haven't out-cleared anyone, you have performed better than the people who worked their butts off to clear the content and improve to a certain percentile. And you're really just cheating out of this illusory race for anonymous superiority.

If people are the kind to feel so angy over that, then congratulations, you're holding the biggest L in the universe :T

If accessibility is cheating, then I'm doomed. Because I need to use specific Nvidia shaders to handle with colourblindness in this game, because the innate colourblindness settings they have are either too weak or way too strong for me.


Post limits are the actual hell.

A large part of doing mechanics is being able to read their tells and solve them. If you were playing a game like Sudoku or a Crossword and a computer was giving you all of the answers, would you say it isn't cheating because you're manually writing them in the boxes?

Not really :I But that's because I'm lazy. If I don't want to be challenged all the time or, hell, struggle with some stuff (playing this game is a little bit more involved than solving sudoku, I'm sorry), why not have auxilliary support?

I know it's not the same as Cactbot, but again I point to the fact that I kinda need a third party tool to be able to see some stuff if I want to enjoy the game. So if there are people out there who struggle with Sudoku, I say "go for it honey", because I personally see zero problem with them "cheating" at something if it means they get to enjoy it. You could argue "But they won't enjoy it like an original experience", but the fact is that that original experience is what's unenjoyable to them in the first place.

Plus, some rewards are locked behind Savage. Not everyone should strive to clear Savage just for those rewards unlike people who ACTUALLY care about the Savage fight itself that much.

The alternative is "just don't do this content". But would you tell me to not do content just because I can't see stuff without a shader on?

Because it fundamentally automates a portion of the games intended execution, and is explicitly banned by the company that operates the game and defines what is fair and what is not.

Cactbot does not just make simple callouts. It reads data instantly that is typically invisible to the client, and solves mechanics instantly given that data.

The only people with hurt egos are the people who go through insane mental gymnastics to try to justify that Cactbot isn't a cheat program. I don't even care that much if people use it, but good lord just recognize it for what it is lol.

Yeah, and on my previous post on this, I specifically stated that the only thing this is actively harming is the ToS that specifically says "Don't use third party tools in general". THAT should be respected.

What I'm referring to hurt egos is the fact that you have people calling it "cheating" and such as if it directly harms them. It doesn't. Savage isn't a competition, it's just content.

[LittleImp]

1 - Cactbot just does call-outs, it doesn't resolve the mechanic for you. And if it does, it tells you where you need to go, and...

A large part of doing mechanics is being able to read their tells and solve them. If you were playing a game like Sudoku or a Crossword and a computer was giving you all of the answers, would you say it isn't cheating because you're manually writing them in the boxes?

3 - Can someone please explain to me why this is even considered "cheating"? Because Playstation people can't do it, is that it...? How did people on PC even manage to get world first in order to make those triggers in the first place? The only thing it cheats on is people's fragile-as-ice ego because they want to hold some ridiculous notion of success out of a videogame. Touch grass if you're this competitive, jesus...

Because it fundamentally automates a portion of the games intended execution, and is explicitly banned by the company that operates the game and defines what is fair and what is not.

Cactbot does not just make simple callouts. It reads data instantly that is typically invisible to the client, and solves mechanics instantly given that data.

The only people with hurt egos are the people who go through insane mental gymnastics to try to justify that Cactbot isn't a cheat program. I don't even care that much if people use it, but good lord just recognize it for what it is lol.

[angienessyo]

I'm just going to state facts and ask questions that I would like to have answered as a console gamer.

If the plugins are not cheating like Cacbot that some players use I quote them as "comfort", how come there has never been in the world any complete team of 8 playstation players who managed to clear an ultimate? Are there any videos of a team of 8 console players getting to clear Ultimate ?

How is it that no team of 8 Playstation players (not 1 or 2 players but the 8) is in the first places of the world race? How is it that some players who clear Ultimates and therefore have superior intelligence/memory/comprehension to others are mostly out of work when they could be NASA researchers?

A good way to compare PC and Playstation gamers would be to have a console-only data center (with no travel possible for PC gamers), I think clear rates/ranking on the dps meter/economy would be very different, Why Square Enix dont do that ?

The biggest problem console players face when raiding isn't the lack of addons but how awkward Discord is to use if you're on there. Unless you have a specific set up, most console players will have to rely on mobile and won't be able to hear important audio cues in the game. But I still know several console players that cleared 3-4 ultimates even while having a terrible audio set up. We'll see if this changes whenever Sony and Discord's partnership does anything.

[Iyrnthota]

The biggest problem console players face when raiding isn't the lack of addons but how awkward Discord is to use if you're on there. Unless you have a specific set up, most console players will have to rely on mobile and won't be able to hear important audio cues in the game. But I still know several console players that cleared 3-4 ultimates even while having a terrible audio set up. We'll see if this changes whenever Sony and Discord's partnership does anything.

Something something Discord, something something third party

[Ivtrix]

Something something Discord, something something third party

3rd party use detected

ban em boys

[Iyrnthota]

3rd party use detected

ban em boys

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