How to easily have healers dps engaged ( yet another thread)

[AthemRyu]

I see everyone asking for more buttons for healers MORE BUTTONS, then I open the game, look at my 3 full hotbars of spells, 90% of which are only useful in content I never want to do (savages and ultimates) and go "where are those MORE BUTTONS even supposed to go here? There's no room". While more engaging DPS could be fun, just slapping more buttons on currently overbloated healer classes just seems like such a non-solution that serves to bloat healers' hotbars further to no real effect beyond giving illusion of skill or engagement when the only difference is instead of pressing 1 button over and over, you now press 3 buttons in specific order over and over; while needing to bend your hand backwards to reach your other buttons at times.

What you are saying reveals the current problem, why in every expansion we get new healing abilities while we have more than enough to do the job. We get a new skill to do the same thing which is to heal with a little twist.
In my opinion, there is a bit too much healing ability and some of them should be removed


For more dps buttons I think nobody here is asking for a 1 2 3 combo like melee has which won't make sense for gameplay based on casting.
For example, you can give the scholar a gcd dot + ogcd dot of 20sec and be able to apply both dots on a skill of 60cd then you can reset that 60cd skill with aetherflow ( This is close to what old summoner dot rotation had before endwalker) and here you have scholar having a unique rotation from other healers by only adding two skills and a twist with the rest cooldown.

Healer dps rotation should be inspired by caster dps and not 123 combos of melee dps

[Somnolence]

Assuming the fight design does not change fixing healers seems rather hard, basically a rework:

* A lot more DPS abilities.
* Burst phase
* Simplified healing kits of strong abilities that are consolidated, f.e. basic single target heal should scale with target HP missing
* Healing should not be dps loss or this will not solve PF healer shortage when they feel like they are being griefed when forced to heal more than needed. Either it should be oGCD or refund some resources for dps aka lilies?

In addition, gearing needs to be fixed. Gearing healer alt is not easy and in statics healers are last in line to receive gear which is demotivating.

I could be playing healer but right now with the state of things I just can't be bothered. If Square Enix wants for people like me to heal they need to put some serious work.

[ForsakenRoe]

We don't need 'a lot more DPS abilities', I think, just 2 or 3 more would work fine if there was some interplay which made them interesting. Monk in WOW has like 3 abilities to use for it's damage rotation, but they play into each other very well. Tiger Palm gives a stack, which increases the number of times Blackout Kick strikes. Blackout Kick reduces the 10sec CD of Rising Sun Kick by 1sec per strike. Rising Sun Kick is the big hitting ability, and with certain talents, can extend the duration of the monk's HOTs. Blackout Kick also can be talented to restore mana, a certain talent can be taken to give a CD which summons a very fast crane friend called Chi-Ji, who heals 3 people each time you use Rising Sun Kick, and gives a stack that reduces the cast time of your very strong HOT (which also increases healing received from all sources as a side effect) by 33%. 3 stacks makes that cast time instant, so DPSing allows you to seamlessly weave between doing damage and healing, all with just three DPS buttons.

Also, Shaman has what, Flame Shock, Lightning Bolt, Lava Burst? And when Flame Shock ticks crit, it gives a Lava Burst charge (stacks to 2), and Lava Burst is guaranteed to crit on targets that have the Flame Shock DOT on them. Probably the simplest interaction imaginable, still more than what we've got in terms of how our kits interact with themselves. Holy Paladin generates Holy Power (think aetherflow, but it stacks to 5 and spells cost 3) by either healing it's 'Beacon' marked player (Synastry but actually useful) or by hitting the enemy with it's damage skills, some of which are melee. Now that we have basically 100% melee uptime on the bosses in FF, is there actually any reason we couldn't have a melee healer?

And don't get me started on Discipline Priest and how it works with 'deal damage to cause healing' because it just makes me sad how much of a missed mark Sage really is

[IllyaPrisma]

I genuinely believe SGE is fundamentally lacking in every department. The recent Phlegma buff pushed it ahead of WHM for rDPS, but otherwise it feels like a worse version of SCH in every way. Attempting DSR with a WHM/SGE was so unbelievably bad that SE had to attach an additional shield to Holos. That was partly the fault of WHM having very weak mitigation options, but SGE had quite a bit of trouble covering the deficit. SGE has miniscule shielding capabilities by comparison and has a carbon copy healing kit of SCH, with the exception of Pneuma. SGE has no equivalent to Deployment Tactics and only has 2 percentage mitigation options, where as SCH has 3.

SGE needs multiple damage options added to their kit, and basically their entire healing/shielding kit needs a ramp up. Several abilities should be changed so that the job isn't a cheap SCH knock-off. There are weird time restrictions on SGE's shields that don't make sense. Seraphic Veil is a 30 second shield. Panhaima should also be a 30 second shield...

Additionally, I'd love for SCH to have 2 Dots again. The return of Aero III, etc