How to easily have healers dps engaged ( yet another thread)

[flowerfairy]

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You don't have to nitpick every other sentence, just summarize it all up in a paragraph.

I’ll be putting together quotes that I think generalize a section. I'll try to not talk about stuff other people covered

WAR/WHM comparison:
Yes, I did use hyperbole. It gets the point across. No one is complaining when you use pickle anagrams or whatever to simplify the argument.

Yes, Storm's Eye would exist. But IR = PoM would be more like crit weaponskills without unlocked Fell Cleave. Infuriate does not compare to Lucid Dreaming at all. Again, will people really like this?

Healer state:

... Right now, they're able to clear content - content you likely don't WANT them to be able to clear. ...

What content requires ANYONE to be good at pressing damage buttons? Certainly not dungeons and normal trials/raids. That leaves Extreme, Savage, and Ultimate. The stuff that has hard enrages. I guess you’re right - I don’t want someone who doesn’t want to put in effort to clear hard content.

... because gear is gated behind them ...

Also: Ultimates exist. That's the "hard" content in FFXIV. Or supposed to be, anyway.

“Just play ultimate.”
Legend titles and weapons are locked behind the hard content, should that be made easier?
Gear progression does not matter in this game at all for anything other than doing even harder content.

WHM lore:

... Current day WHM's are almost exclusive Padjali ...

We’re not Padjali though, we’re adventurers who get sent to kill monsters and sometimes people. This stuff isn’t for the faint of heart. You have to solo kill stuff anyways for the MSQ, so the whole doctor thing doesn’t work. Also, what happens to Sylphie when she only uses healing spells?

Show me where it says "...and are gods of destruction, rending foes with powerful attack magicks"?

You’re using hyperbole here

I don’t want “power attack magicks”, I want spells that actually feel like I’m combining the usage of stone, wind and water. The kit I described had 5 buttons. If we add Aero, Holy, and Misery, it’s 8. Compared to any other DPS, it’s not destructive.

Caster design:
Honestly I don’t understand your point here. Do you also admit that SMN does not do casting well either? What does that have to do with Glarespam?

... Most of the arguments are from people who optimize ...

No. I’m attacking flawed game design. I’m saying Glarespam doesn’t fit ShB and EW’s endgame fight design, and you feel attacked because you enjoy that gameplay for whatever reason. You yourself admitted that this gameplay fits ARR fights better, so I don't understand.

Your picture says your Main Class is Scholar Lv 90, so what's the problem?

Seriously? Since my forum profile says Scholar, that means I don’t have WHM at level 90 and I’m never interested in its aesthetic?

[T-Owl]

“Just play ultimate.”
Legend titles and weapons are locked behind the hard content, should that be made easier?
Gear progression does not matter in this game at all for anything other than doing even harder content.

The just play ultimate argument is kinda the most toxic and gaslighting one in this discussion if you ask me, as it operates under the assumption that the glarespam only affects players elite players and basically tries to frame anyone who cares about laying the job correctly and being engaged, instead of like people admitted her being drawn to the job for being easier and less engaged than other ones, as some hardcore elitist. People start to run into the issue of glarespam as early as being very new to the role and learning about it being prefered by the community if healers dps. In my case, that was as low as Sastasha when I started the game very fresh and I think just by reading the forums out of curiosity learning about this trend. So, when I was a sprout (though naturally, I didn't noticed it being a problem back then because combat isn't particular fun for any class until higher levels). The issue affects players from msq casuals up to ultimate readers.