How to easily have healers dps engaged ( yet another thread)

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

WHM vs WAR comparisons

Beast Gauge & Lily Gauge generates differently.
Infuriate behaves fundamentally different it's almost impossible to compare it with Lucid Dreaming.
Fell Cleaves/Decimate, despite being a gauge spender, still is not an equal comparison to Misery. Each usage interacts with Infuriate by pushing its timer by 7.5s.
Inner Release is similar but nothing like "press and forget for its duration" like PoM does. It also interacts with Beast Gauge & Infuriate timer. You can even choose when you want to fire off that Primal Rend accordingly. In this sense Primal Rend is closer to Misery than Fell Cleave, albeit with shorter manipulation window.

Cutting the benchmarking short---If I want to be completely honest however, these two shouldn't even be compared from first place. Regardless how much WAR is often memed for being the most braindead of the tanks, WHM still pales in comparison in term of complexity it's almost insulting to WARs.

(SMN and things)[...]By game definition, they are not. They are Healers. That's like saying Tanks are Melee when the game clearly makes a distinction. Tanks, for example, have no positionals (would be kinda hard to land for the MT), and PLD is as much a Caster (or Ranged, if you prefer) as SMN is.[...]

I'm not flowerfairy, but I think what they meant by their 'caster' in this context literally means "Spellcasters". Those who operates mostly by casting (e.g. requires somatic incantation).

I think, is the truth behind the "Healers need more DPS buttons" argument that no one wants to admit and people attack me for pointing out, but it ultimately comes down to this. Most of the arguments are from people who optimize upset that people who don't can do the same things they do, even though optimization is only one piece of clearing content

Do you think you know what they're thinking while they're trying to (re)clear the content? Do you honestly think those people really care what other player do? I personally don't give a flying f- whether A, B, C, or D can clear the content because they use some omegalul easy class, or use 12 hotbars to optimize their galaxy brain rotation. The only thing that matters to me is how I personally contribute meaningfully & adequately to the collective goal while also finding ways to have fun.

That is a lie and even you have to know it. An outright lie. Right now, they're able to clear content - content you likely don't WANT them to be able to clear. Unless the difference in DPS between doing the rotation correctly and pressing only Water 3 is 0.0000001% (so that there's literally no point in even having it), they would no longer be able to clear things with their current rotation/playstyle, which WOULD be taking something from them.

You may wish/want/believe they SHOULD have that content taken from them, but don't lie about it.

'Bad healers' (i.e. outdpsed and outhealed by their own co-healer) are already & had been clearing contents albeit outside week 1 and most earlier weeks, so what are you trying to prove wrong here? That is called being the weak link of the group, and yet a clear is still a clear (I have known a few of them in my own FC). These healers wouldn't do much different with simple rotation vs robust rotation if they simply have no real desire to improve, period. Again, do you honestly think people really care about another's progression in general?

Largely because of friends wanting to do them and because gear is gated behind them. If Savage gear and Extreme/Savage mounts and titles were available without having to clear that content, no one would care.
Also: Ultimates exist. That's the "hard" content in FFXIV. Or supposed to be, anyway.

Valid. Still, why do you think things like 'speedruns' or in general 'good runs' exist for? For mounts? Savage gears? Titles? Please just do not answer this question if you're going to say something along the line "I don't care that much to know enough about that part". I will not pry further.

[...]maybe you guys should stop with the hyperboles.

Those hyperboles are rarely intended to portray the reality but nonetheless still a viable (and with proper use, can be fun!) mean to get points across. So instead of focusing too much to these hyperboles (which you have implied so far that you can spot it), how about addressing the actual points instead? Because you're not doing any favor to yourself nor to the discussion by getting over-fixated with it other than virtually avoiding to discuss that very point.

Lastly, please please, for the love of Hydaelyn. Try keeping your post more concise or at least put them in wrapped text box (I remembered you learning how to do it in one of your past discussions months ago). Folks are less eager to respond to you when you keep committing Flood of Texting, good points can often get lost.