How to easily have healers dps engaged ( yet another thread)

[Gemina]

Absolutely incorrect. The Scholars of Nym were Arcanists to begin with, you can go to the Lodestone page for Scholar to read the blurb that says - "In an age long past, when mankind flourished under the radiance of arcane mastery, the island of Vylbrand was home to a city-state called Nym."

Are you really concluding that SCH's were ACN's to begin with based on "Arcane Mastery"? Is this the depth of your knowledge of SCH lore? If so, these links might help:

What it means to be a Scholar - Uploader Synonic Scribe

Scholar, post 7th Umbral Calamity - Uploader Sync Weaver

War of the Magi, and the 5th Astral Era - Uploader Synonic Scribe

A little Arcanist lore - Uploader Wyrm Limion

A little Summoner lore - Uploader Synonic Scribe

Of course, I don't expect you to look at all of those. They do make for some good viewing if you have about an hour and fresh cup of coffee. I am posting these more as source material to show - a lot of it verbatim from the encyclopedia - that SCH roots really aren't defined by the ACN class, or even really by damage.

What is really important to note is that classes have their own lore. Some classes keep the ties stronger from class to job, but every class, and every job has their own lore. In the case of ACN, SMN, and SCH they all weave spells in a similar fashion, but they are each their own separate schools of arcane arts, or magic. How each of them came about to use a book/codex/grimoire as their arms can be traced to the southern continent, and it is likely from here these practices branched into their respective arts.

The link to ACN to SCH isn't in name alone, it's built into the lore and still is, regardless of you liking that or not. In fact, the original 1.0 lore for Arcanist was supposed to be centered around a plague - Las Vegas Fanfest 2014: “In Limsa Lominsa, the original Arcanist quest that was supposed to be released in 1.0 was actually about this disease spreading around La Noscea called the Green Rot. It would infect all of these people and they would die. To make money off of this, a bunch of merchants would try to smuggle in snake oils and tonics and things like that, and try to sell those to the people dying so they could get their money because they knew they were going to die anyway and were desperate."
Sound familiar? Seems almost like how Scholar's entire job questline and lore is dealing with plagues... so fitting for Miasma, Shadow Flare, Bane, etc to be apart of SCH's kit. Much more than Eos or Selene using attacks - something they have NEVER done.

The green plague you refer to, if the same as I recall, was foulplay at the hands of the mages of Mhach. It had absolutely nothing to do with how the SCHs of Nym practiced their arcane arts. The SCHs of Nym were mostly pacifists, and desired to stay out of the conflicts between the city states of Amdapor and Mhach. It was the latter's inevitable desire for the conquest of Nym and their resources that really forced their hands and aid of the mages of Amdapor.

The SCHs of Nym were practiced in battle tactics and strategy. Their strength lied not in their own combat prowess, but rather their ability to direct and command their fellow marauders into organized and optimized battle formations in combination of the deployment of their shields and curative magiks to assist and support their allies to easily overwhelm their opposition. This whole Bio+Misama into Bane, then slap on a ShadowFlare... that is ALL Arcanist.

If we're going to bring up the "lore" argument when it comes to gameplay, this is why wanting the fae gauge to have damage associated with it wouldn't work. "These learned men and women defended the freedom of their tiny nation with their unique command over spell-weaving faeries, utilizing the creatures' magicks to heal the wounded and bolster the strength of their allies." Outside of that, the faeries shouldn't have damage associated with them at all, because it throws Scholar's healing priority out of alignment when the faeries have always been Scholar's main source of totally free healing.

Again I will recommend the links to brush up on your knowledge. The SCH's fairy wasn't always sentient. To this day, no one really knows how this came to be. Because of this, we really don't know exactly what they are capable of. No we haven't seen them cause damage, but I also wasn't being strict that the damage had to come from Lily. Only that she be involved somehow with the animation.

Scholar has not moved forward at all, it has been a continual worsening of the job. For every one good thing Scholar gets, it gets two good things taken away from it. I have no idea why you would think that something like SB SCH wouldn't be viable in today's content - is that based off of your experiences healing in Savage on SCH this tier?

Sure it has. It's the players pining for 3.x SCH that have remained stagnant. The rest of the game, and SCH has moved on. Going on five years now. Holster your savage tier epeen bud. I merely said I was not sure if it would be viable, but just because you say it is, doesn't make it so. I don't need to run savage or ultimate to know that SCH's offensive kit was consolidated into Broil and War. I don't need to run savage to know that if SCHs old kit was just thrusted back into their repertoire, they would need some serious adjustments, to you know, make it viable for content.