Thread: Patch 6.21 Notes - Devs telling you MCH is at where they expect it to be

Life is good as a tank.

MCH needs a lot of work. The ranged tax makes no sense, the job is not even halfway to pure DPS and it has 0 support, not even personal mitigation like third eye or manaward.
I'm very close to give up, I feel like Square Enix forgot to read the forums.

Nah, hol' up here. Life is only good as a tank if you're DRK or GNB. If PLD or WAR you are expected to find a hole to go die in, as proven by these "buffs."

Originally Posted by CKNovel

Life is good as a tank.

MCH needs a lot of work. The ranged tax makes no sense, the job is not even halfway to pure DPS and it has 0 support, not even personal mitigation like third eye or manaward.
I'm very close to give up, I feel like Square Enix forgot to read the forums.

SE reads forums, just gotta pray JP forums complain about it.

Originally Posted by stevemadden

SE reads forums, just gotta pray JP forums complain about it.

Please enjoy this google translate sample of the jp forum:

"none?????????"
"Ok..... Square Enix doesn't want players to play ranged classes, only melee. Just delete ranged classes."
"Is there nothing...Is
that so..."
"If there is no change...
machinist, will it be deleted..."
"It is important to keep speaking up even if you continue to be ignored. Until someone from the job coordinator joins the machinist...
hoping guns aren't as weak as arrows or throwing weapons."
"Personally, I'd like you to explain the concept of the machinist job."

Everyone is disappointed, the MCH community of JP has been quite vocal during these past months on the forum.
In fact, they've been vocal for months.

Originally Posted by stevemadden

SE reads forums, just gotta pray JP forums complain about it.

People complained about sam changes even before release and they proceed anyway. They dont read forums.

Can't wait for the insane mental gymnastics that will be employed when MCH is brought up in the next LL. That's assuming they won't just brush it under the rug like with SAM of course.

The problem is two fold imo.

1.) The problem with MCH is that it used to basically be a BRD with guns and then they basically removed all their support stuff which turned them into a "selfish" DPS and they never adjusted for that on top of applying the ranged tax to them.

2.) I think this is the only tab targeting MMO I've played where there's a class of ranged play style that is completely free with no cast times. Even in other games where the ranged is mostly mobile they still have casted/channeled skills mixed into their rotation and most of the instants are either on long cooldowns or use a secondary resource like energy (basically mana) to prevent them from spamming instants. That lack of forcing phsy. ranged to occasionally cast or channel a skill on top of the lack of a secondary resource gives them basically 100% uptime. Not saying to litter MCH with channeled or casted abilities, but I do see the general design of all the phsy. ranged (especially MCH) is kinda flawed. They need to address the issue in 7.0 and just get rid of the whole ranged taxed concept and find ways to force downtime, even if its only a handful of globals. At this point melee don't suffer much down time anymore if at all so the ranged tax is losing its purpose.

Why would you discard those weapons that you work hard for? Lol . I still play mch from time to time but you dont see me discard my weapons xD