The 7th Circle illegitimate waymarks post is a bit laughable

[Striker44]

Further more they are implementing fixes so they are agreeing the offending parties had a point. Banning people and then later implementing their fixes is a rather ungrateful way to show appreciation for their feedback. It simply shows begrudging acceptance.

Completely wrong. SE's explanation sums it up perfectly.

Since an unfair situation has already been created between players who have this data in their save slots and those who don't, due to the spread of the waymark data with illegitimate coordinates and taking into account the strategies players have been using for this duty, we have decided that, regarding Abyssos: The Seventh Circle (Savage), we will allow everyone to set the same waymarks as this currently widespread data allows, but without the use of illicit means.

If you don't allow it here, you effectively give cheaters a permanent advantage over honest players permanently. This just ensures honest players end up ahead because they'll be able to do the same thing, but not risk getting banned for it.

And my gosh, what whining here. Perhaps part of what makes it "Savage" and top-tier content is that you aren't supposed to just trivialize some things by placing perfect markers in advance? How about progressing on the fight and learning?

[Kazhar]

And my gosh, what whining here. Perhaps part of what makes it "Savage" and top-tier content is that you aren't supposed to just trivialize some things by placing perfect markers in advance? How about progressing on the fight and learning?

This is a really poor argument because you CAN place perfect markers in pretty much every content of the game except this one and you don't need add-ons for it. P7S is one of the only exceptions because the starting arena is smaller than the one we see in 80% of the fight and it's clear from Yoshi-P's post that the reason we can't in P7S specifically is because of an oversight. It's not part of the fight design, nor an intended difficulty.
This is like saying we should embrace the annoying orange aoes on orange background from P3S because it makes the fight "more difficult".

[FireMage]

It's just a suspension if it's not permanent.
But modders and cheaters should be dealt with regardless.

Not when they've done nothing wrong. Amd there was no cheating occurring

[FireMage]

Cut back with the passive aggressiveness there a bit friend.

I'm just saying we can't be cherry picking rules to follow just to suit our needs.

I mean...you can, I'm not stupid enough to believe that everyone is a saint who follows ToS, but don't complain or whine if you get caught with your pants down by SE for breaking them

Hence why SE needs to stop being dogmatic about their own screw ups