Thread: Patch 6.21 Notes

Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Lately it seems like they want to push things out asap and test said things later. I mean, I get it. They are never going to foresee every possible outcome, but they seem to be handling various things recently like Blizzard has with WoW the last few years. Just shoving things out the door without proper testing and listening to feedback. It is slightly out of character for them, but I kinda figured we would get to this point eventually.

It's also happening after they gave themselves an extra two weeks per patch cycle as well as a week's delay specifically for savage. I wouldn't be surprised to see the time between new major patches increase yet again.

Originally Posted by Theodric

It's also happening after they gave themselves an extra two weeks per patch cycle as well as a week's delay specifically for savage. I wouldn't be surprised to see the time between new major patches increase yet again.

There was no week delay for savage in terms of the patch. Only the unlock. Everything was included in 6.2 for the savage fights. So no tuning or otherwise was done in that extra week.

Also, that was a community request.

Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Lately it seems like they want to push things out asap and test said things later. I mean, I get it. They are never going to foresee every possible outcome, but they seem to be handling various things recently like Blizzard has with WoW the last few years. Just shoving things out the door without proper testing and listening to feedback. It is slightly out of character for them, but I kinda figured we would get to this point eventually.

The worst thing about it is everyone has access to detailed fight data, down to how much damage each action contributes to the damage output over thousands of fights. They could straight up calculate every single potency increase before implementing it and see how much it would change over a variety of situations. The data is there, the willingness to work with it evidently not.

Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

The kit fights itself. If you use Dissipation, you're locked out of all Fairy healing. If you Fey Union, having the fairy use anything else cancels it. If you use Seraph, you're locked out of Dissipation, Fey Blessing, and Fey Union. Seraph can also ghost skills and put them on cooldown.

If SCH dies with Dissipation and Aetherflow just being used, you come back with at least 50s without any AF stacks. Meaning Sacred Soil, Lustrate, Excog, and Indom are all unusable outside of the one Recitation cast for the next 50s. Fey Union gauge is also lost. You have to resummon your fairy quickly. You are essentially dead weight as a healer for those 50s.

If WHM/AST/SGE dies, what do you lose? WHM you lose the lilies, meaning you've lost only 2 heals and have everything else. AST you only lose your seals for your own card buffs.

SGE you lose access to Druochole (Lustrate equivalent), Kerachole (Sacred Soil equivalent), and Ixochole (Indom equivalent), and Taurochole (10% mitigation and 700 potency heal, no SCH equivalent). If you have Rhizomata (gives you a single stack of Addersgall) ready, you have a single use of any of those. How long are you waiting to use one of those normally? 20 seconds. TWENTY SECONDS.

SCH is the only healer that has to fight its own kit, and is actively punished by death worse than the other healers. These are issues we have had for many expansions now, issues that still need fixing.

That's a long way of saying SCH takes skill to execute properly. It also helps when your teammates aren't going the wrong way and taking you down with them.

No Samurai change reverts? I sleep.

Originally Posted by Deveryn

That's a long way of saying SCH takes skill to execute properly. It also helps when your teammates aren't going the wrong way and taking you down with them.

My issue with it is more that it's an outlier. WHM and AST used to both be a lot more difficult, closer to SCH's level. But while they've been simplified, SCH has not been. I'm not asking for braindead, but it does need changes. Such as using the fairy gauge for all healing actions, with the fairy's healing giving you small amounts of gauge (and each fairy skill giving you more). Dissipation sacrificing part of the gauge (probably half) to upgrade all healing from the SCH (maybe a DPS buff too, if they so wished). Fey Union making the fairy focus target a player for all Embrace usage for X seconds with an increased potency (think old Rouse). Perhaps Seraph becoming a permanent upgrade to the fairy (adjust heal/shield potency ratio as needed). Things like that, which fixes some issues while still keeping the micromanagement SCH is known for.