Thread: Patch 6.21 Notes

Such a flex. "Our team got gud."

Kind of a disappointing way to "fix" the issues players were having without actually substantively addressing the concerns players have around job balance.

i hate it when people yell "casual". Honestly, if all of it was solo content, i'd be one of the ones, if not, THE one on top. I just have been playing mmo in general for years. started in endwalker, and I don't plan to get super hardcore in this one nor do I have time to. People need to quit callign everyone casual. Some of us are actually better than they think. It's a GROUP game anyway.... give me solo content comparable that they can show on fflogs, etc, and I will shut them up

The HP of Hephaistos in Abyssos: The Eighth Circle (Savage) has been reduced.
This adjustment applies to both phases of the battle.

Reasoning for HP Adjustment
In our endeavor to create an encounter more challenging than Asphodelos: The Fourth Circle (Savage), the team responsible for final adjustments spent a great deal more time than usual working on balance for this raid battle.

Under normal circumstances, the DPS of this team serves as a base for determining a boss HP value that results in clears as close to the time limit as possible. However, as extra time was dedicated to testing this battle, the team's overall performance proved to be higher than usual. As a result, the base values used for adjustments were too high, with final values roughly 1% higher than intended.

We have reduced the boss's HP to bring the battle in line with our initial balance projections. We apologize for any inconvenience caused.

This is a crap take. I'd rather them admit that they just really screwed up in job balancing and this is the reason for the discrepancy. Not because 'oh lulz our team just did better than expected so we got it wrong. '

Gimme a break SE, your crap balancing of classes is the reason for it, and nothing else.

Apology not accepted.

Originally Posted by Aexnidaral

Kind of a disappointing way to "fix" the issues players were having without actually substantively addressing the concerns players have around job balance.

I'd assume that wouldn't happen mid-patch like this. They tend to reserve large-scale changes for expansion changes. Even jobs that need a lot of attention are changed on a mid patch, not during patch cycles (idk how to describe this and I'm sleepy, but basically it won't be in 6.21. You're luckier if they address any job's design or balance issues in major patches like 6.20 or 6.30).

Besides, Square acknowledging anything like that? What world do you live in?

Originally Posted by Kanzer

This is a crap take. I'd rather them admit that they just really screwed up in job balancing and this is the reason for the discrepancy. Not because 'oh lulz our team just did better than expected so we got it wrong. '

Gimme a break SE, your crap balancing of classes is the reason for it, and nothing else.

Apology not accepted.

They COULD be right, since we don't know their job makeup for the fight, nor whether they did it at minimum ilvl or not. I'd prefer if they'd test at minimum ilvl with every job makeup, but that may take too long (and require them to actually play jobs we know they don't play, like DRK or SCH).

Originally Posted by Midareyukki

I'd assume that wouldn't happen mid-patch like this. They tend to reserve large-scale changes for expansion changes. Even jobs that need a lot of attention are changed on a mid patch, not during patch cycles (idk how to describe this and I'm sleepy, but basically it won't be in 6.21. You're luckier if they address any job's design or balance issues in major patches like 6.20 or 6.30).

Besides, Square acknowledging anything like that? What world do you live in?

I'm not sure if I understand your logic entirely. The patch notes have them buffing PLD and WAR. There's no reason they couldn't give potency buffs to other classes as well, even as a temporary band-aid -- I did not advocate for wholesale job changes.

Originally Posted by Aexnidaral

I'm not sure if I understand your logic entirely. The patch notes have them buffing PLD and WAR. There's no reason they couldn't give potency buffs to other classes as well, even as a temporary band-aid -- I did not advocate for wholesale job changes.

MCH and RDM still underwhelming compared with DNC and SMN...

also SGE and RPR?