Do devs post on the English forum?

[Midareyukki]

Yeah i can't blame them at all. This place can get filled with animosity, tribalism and overall negativity. Must feel unrewarding and depressing to interact here everyday.

Eh, Contextual Bias. This is the one place the devs accept any form of criticism, so naturally you'll see more negatives than otherwise.

You'll still see idiots talking out of their arse literally everywhere else, the forums just make it worse due to that negativity thing.

[RukoBoshi]

Eh, Contextual Bias. This is the one place the devs accept any form of criticism, so naturally you'll see more negatives than otherwise.

You'll still see idiots talking out of their arse literally everywhere else, the forums just make it worse due to that negativity thing.

Yeah that's fair. Especially when there's a ton of rightful criticism about issues that needs to be addressed. I can get how some may be passionate about some of these ossues that seems to fall on deaf ears.
I just wish there was more civility in some of these discussions, between the constant bickering and passive aggressiveness this environment can feel quite hostile, despite arguing about serious issues.

[SaberMaxwell]

The more the community team ignores the EN OF, the more it festers. The more it festers, the less anyone wants to do anything with it. It's like cleaning your room daily vs cleaning your room once per year--perhaps the work is similar cumulatively, but spreading it out over time makes it less effort overall. Especially when after a year grime gets into places.

If there's a problem with the way users interact, community managers should enforce against it. If EN users are too boisterous, loud, obnoxious, trolly, working too hard to mini-mod, spamming posts or threads...the EN community team and moderation staff should work to fix it. If that's not what they're paid to do, and the EN OF was meant to be left like this, well...

This is literally what they're asking for.

[Lauront]

The more the community team ignores the EN OF, the more it festers. The more it festers, the less anyone wants to do anything with it. It's like cleaning your room daily vs cleaning your room once per year--perhaps the work is similar cumulatively, but spreading it out over time makes it less effort overall. Especially when after a year grime gets into places.

If there's a problem with the way users interact, community managers should enforce against it. If EN users are too boisterous, loud, obnoxious, trolly, working too hard to mini-mod, spamming posts or threads...the EN community team and moderation staff should work to fix it. If that's not what they're paid to do, and the EN OF was meant to be left like this, well...

This is literally what they're asking for.

Agreed, this is their venue at the day and they bear partial culpability here. Definitely something where they themselves would get more value out of it were they to improve how the place is run.

I know certain posters are desperate to paint this place and utterly terrible though some of us have been posting around these parts for years and the hostility is almost exclusively coming from those desperate to stifle feedback despite that being touted as this place's primary function.

Twitter and Reddit are far worse and far more hostile. I'm really not sure how people getting a bit heated and testy here is meant to compare to people spamming inboxes with links to explicit gore/hardcore adult material which is hosted elsewhere on both sites.

Yeah, agreed. Less of it survives on reddit because the mods (sometimes over-zealously) clean it up, but not always, and as you say that can morph into very strange stalking/harassment, often using throwaway accounts, with people you may only ever have interacted once, all for expressing a view they disliked. As for Twitter? That place just isn't built for discussions like a traditional forum is. Very cliqueish, discussions trail off through being nested and plenty of hostility. If SE staff can review these sites for feedback, and perhaps even more hostile ones, I fail to see why they are incapable of putting in place better moderation and interaction with their players on this site.

[Deveryn]

We're all adults here (allegedly). It should fall on us to take some responsibility for the direction of these forums and not take the 'murican route of trying to rely heavily on the police to keep things in order.

[Saimeren]

I clicked the dev tracker up top, and it seems there’s a lot of communication in German, responses to player questions and not just announcements.

Do they ever do that here?

No, this is strictly a place for the community to chat with one another. The devs don't hang out here like so many people like to think. (See all those examples of people asking for changes or asking for dev advice ect..)

This is not and has never been a direct line to the developers.

It's a place for players to talk amongst ourselves outside of the game. That's it.

Very rarely they might drop an important piece of news here, but that's generally what the Lodestone is for.

Any staff member you might see post here is very likely either a forum moderator or a community manager. Neither of which are developers or have anything to do with how the game is made. They're essentially babysitters.

[Silverbane]

Any staff member you might see post here is very likely either a forum moderator or a community manager. Neither of which are developers or have anything to do with how the game is made. They're essentially babysitters.

Or perhaps they are mainly here to prevent people from using the forums for activities, like posting child porn, that might subject SE to sanctions or at the least create really bad PR. Any moderation we get beyond that may be just a bonus.

[Fun fact: when I worked for a court, I learned that in my state the penalty for possession of child porn is 10 years in prison, sentences to run consecutively for each item possessed, with no possibility of parole. At first I thought that was harsh ... until I read the transcripts from the case.]