Do devs post on the English forum?

[Raoabolic]

My assumption is there is more of an issue with how feedback is aggregated for the global community side. I always get the feeling the folks who collect and compile feedback here just aren't telling the dev team the things they need to hear.

Kind of falls in line with the non-existent moderation that goes on here too imo.

I think basically nobody in SE North America (or wherever) reads anything here, so it never gets to the people who can do anything about it. If you look at some of YoshiP's interactions with the EU and NA playerbase at the older in-person fanfests, it's really obvious some things that were talked about all the time here just never made it to the devs for some reason.

Considering NA side thinks this is much preferred to this, it's not that hard to assume that's exactly what's going on. I pray we don't devolve into a Nintendo Treehouse situation. At the very least, if it is then the fallout will be pretty funny. lol

[Kozh]

He's also asked that people remember these are humans just doing their jobs, so it's better to be polite than belligerent. As the old saying goes, you get more flies with honey. Sadly, people have trouble coming together and actually putting cohesive thoughts together for the devs to see. The west only knows how to bicker and lie.

Except his message was directed to JP community. Get you facts right you clown.

You act like the east isn't as toxic as west lol. Must be nice being that delusional.

[Deveryn]

Except his message was directed to JP community. Get you facts right you clown.

You act like the east isn't as toxic as west lol. Must be nice being that delusional.

I don't act one way or another. I know how people are in the east. I know that message was broadcast to all. It doesn't matter if it was directed one way or another. All should take this advice if they actually want to be heard. Anyone who's happy just bickering back and forth and crying that nothing is done is the real clown. There could be some valuable feedback to be gleaned from the forums and other spots, but it's drowning in so much bullshit.

[Jeeqbit]

The only developers that post in the English forums are from the Localization team in the Localization forum and there are months between that happening, sometimes over a year.

[PharisHanasaki]

from your last post that you deleted, it sounds like you are not "down to criticize" them tbh. while i don't think it's as dramatic as a lot of people are making it out to be, im talking strictly the forums (as this thread is about). yes, they communicate through live letters in a way, the complaint was that they rarely answer questions or build a community in the forums. and i agree'd with the poster i quoted. i feel like the forums have fallen into what they are simply because there isnt a team to help build the community. we get trolls who aren't removed, we get confused players asking questions and rely on the community to give unofficial answers. i remember when there was a time the GMs kept moving troubleshooting threads and just dumping them in the general board and we had to help the players ourselves.

so yeah, i think its true. you are free to believe otherwise though.

I agree with both replies. Yoshi P did try to and did listen to the playerbase during the early stages, that much is true. We had developers and GMs posting here, and moderating. At some point it all changed, and it became somewhat clear that you needed to be japanese, or somewhat fluent in japanese to make yourself heard. If the Japanese voice a concern or complaint, it gets addressed much faster.

I'm not sure if this current change has to do with Yoshi P working on 16, or not, but it's clear Yoshi P is getting a bit out of touch with 14's community.

[LittleArrow]

-snip- I'm not sure if this current change has to do with Yoshi P working on 16, or not, but it's clear Yoshi P is getting a bit out of touch with 14's community.

I just wanted to respond to this part of your quote. I'm sorry for taking it out of the full quote, but hopefully context won't be lost.

I don't believe the forums are any sort of indicator of the devs involvement with the community personally. I've seen SO many issues get addressed that the JP community just didn't care about (to name just a few: Hroth ears, Female Hroth, Male Viera - please correct me if I'm wrong).

However, I do see a shift IN-GAME when it comes to this quote, and I completely agree - it does seem like Yoshi is drifting away from the XIV community. There have been changes that looked way more similar to the 1.x mentality - specifically Viera / Hroth implementation (gender locked / no hats / unfinished). Another issue I've noticed is the lack of detail in armor (ears for miqote, anyone remember visors?, 3-months between patches, no longer supporting hard mode early dungeons / only 1 dungeon per patch which is usually tied to the MSQ only). These are pretty minor in the long run, but I have noticed it seems like the keen eye to detail isn't like it was in 2.x.

Yoshi, however, has given me nearly 9yrs of great gameplay with my family. He has at least earned, from me personally, the benefit of the doubt. I think what you said is true in that possibly 16 is just stretching him thin. I wouldn't want anyone else to replace him, despite him seemingly checking out. I don't really have an answer to this concern other than I'm glass half-full right now, but I do notice a change.

[Shibi]

I've seen SO many issues get addressed that the JP community just didn't care about (to name just a few: Hroth ears, Female Hroth, Male Viera - please correct me if I'm wrong).

Yes, I'll correct you.

Hroth ears was most definitely mentioned on the Japanese forum, along with a lot of likes. It was most certainly cared about by the JP forum community.

The others, maybe, the conventions on that side of the Fora are a little different to here. Suggestions don't usually create an angry multi-page debate like we see here with half the EN playerbase telling the other they can't have what they want. (neener neener with moose antlers optional)

Rather the Japanese part of the fora mostly seem to work on one post and like-gathering, with follow up posts offering extra thoughts. There is not much of the rehashing-the-same-point discourse we see here. If it's a poorly thought out, unpopular idea, it will be (0) on the bottom of the post.

Of course, there are exceptions. Always. Some topics - like the zero bug housing refund - had a little acrimony in it.

[LittleArrow]

Yes, I'll correct you.

Hroth ears was most definitely mentioned on the Japanese forum, along with a lot of likes. It was most certainly cared about by the JP forum community.

The others, maybe, the conventions on that side of the Fora are a little different to here. Suggestions don't usually create an angry multi-page debate like we see here with half the EN playerbase telling the other they can't have what they want. (neener neener with moose antlers optional)

Rather the Japanese part of the fora mostly seem to work on one post and like-gathering, with follow up posts offering extra thoughts. There is not much of the rehashing-the-same-point discourse we see here. If it's a poorly thought out, unpopular idea, it will be (0) on the bottom of the post.

Of course, there are exceptions. Always. Some topics - like the zero bug housing refund - had a little acrimony in it.

Thanks for the insight! I knew the JP forums used their feedback primarily with the thumbs up button - more thumbs up = bigger issue.

I remember a JP poster coming to our forums seeking support on their forum for the Hroth ears to be fixed - or something to that nature. When I checked their posts, most of what I understood were JP players were sad for Hroth players, but there weren't that many of them, and they understood that it was too much work for Yoshi and his team to fix it.

If anything, and this is purely from my observation NOT from my indepth understanding of the situation from a JP perspective, it seemed like the JP poster was asking us for help to get more awareness on the JP forums - not that there was already a large outcry from the JP community.

However, if what you said is true, then I'm very wrong and I really really misunderstood the situation - this would not be a first for me ,_,

[Shibi]

I remember a JP poster coming to our forums seeking support on their forum for the Hroth ears to be fixed - or something to that nature.

He was a very nice person too! Quite passionately seeking the best for his character's race.

However, if what you said is true, then I'm very wrong...

Noooooo, hugs, you just won't often see a large outcry there, the saying-NO!-on-behalf-of-the-devs stuff and cyclical arguments we see here is rather EN unique!

[PharisHanasaki]

We've never just been given breadcrumbs and we aren't being given breadcrumbs now. He gives 5hr+ live video detailing what they're doing. It's posted on the forums and the ENG website every time.

And yet a lot of these letters were in Japanese only, and we had to rely on reddit translations, or the summary posted on our website.