Fix PLD's Rotation

[Martynek]

Ah, yes, because FoF in optimal is burned 16s in before engaging a target somehow makes Paladin rotation good, this is a straight lie.

RDM prepulls acceleration. BLM prepulls sharpcast. RPR has Soulsow. AST has to prepull draw. NIN has to prepull Huton>Hide and get Suiton ready. DNC starts their dance prepull. I've seen discussion about <1s IR on WAR, but I'm not sure about it.

So disregarding WAR, that makes PLD one of 7 jobs that has to prepull an ability. It is not an outlier. So what makes it badly designed? Just because you do not personally like it is not indicative of anything objective.
If you do not like prepull prep, play a different job instead of trying to fuck up something that other people enjoy.

[RylaBee]

RDM prepulls acceleration.

No it doesn't.

Anyway, the issue about some PLD openers is about having dps boost ability(FoF) run empty out of combat, only using its tail in opener.
It feels realy stupid.

Perhaps the constant buffs to magic phase will push it out, we'll see.

[Undeadfire]

RDM prepulls acceleration. BLM prepulls sharpcast. RPR has Soulsow. AST has to prepull draw. NIN has to prepull Huton>Hide and get Suiton ready. DNC starts their dance prepull. I've seen discussion about <1s IR on WAR, but I'm not sure about it.

So disregarding WAR, that makes PLD one of 7 jobs that has to prepull an ability. It is not an outlier. So what makes it badly designed? Just because you do not personally like it is not indicative of anything objective.
If you do not like prepull prep, play a different job instead of trying to fuck up something that other people enjoy.

Irrelevant.

A lot of these jobs can adapt an instant pull, it's not optimal but can adapt. Pld? It cannot. Goring/Intervene/Expiacion is severely weaker without FoF addition and one of it's main damage sources, and Fof must not be touched until 7 GCDs after Blades if it was not pre popped, that is garbage design. I don't need to keep explaining why SHBs Pld worked, it was pretty much on perfection except some abilities being a button bloat. 5.0 Pld was literally on GNB/DRK tier and could effectively beat them, or be on par.

Paladin got driven out of P8S week 1 clears, it's pick rate is 2nd to Mch, it's rotation is an absolute mess since Holy Spirit became the dominant force. The original rotation of Paladin cannot be used either.

I want to Paladin to be good, not a griefing tank.

[Martynek]

Paladin got driven out of P8S week 1 clears, it's pick rate is 2nd to Mch

I want to Paladin to be good, not a griefing tank.

Irrelevant, all this information is based on bottom-rung players that want to push around other players to make up for their own shortcomings. "Oh, sorry I'm not pulling my weight, you're gonna have to switch job to make up for it!" There were plenty of PLDs and WARs in week 1 clears of this tier and that should be evidence enough that there is not a significant issue.
The only reason any job is getting "bullied out of comps" is because of WoWbrained troglodytes that would commit murder for a 2% damage increase.

Compromising the design of one of the most interesting and thoughtfully designed jobs in the game to cater to these "people" is an absolutely laughable idea and I'm disgusted that SE is even considering it. But then again, I suppose it's okay for this to happen as long as it's not BLM on the chopping block, isn't it?

[george357]

well this dumpster fire of a topic is going nowhere time to leave and hope they fix war and pld.

[Undeadfire]

Irrelevant, all this information is based on bottom-rung players that want to push around other players to make up for their own shortcomings. "Oh, sorry I'm not pulling my weight, you're gonna have to switch job to make up for it!" There were plenty of PLDs and WARs in week 1 clears of this tier and that should be evidence enough that there is not a significant issue.

Really? Plenty of Plds? Only 3 Plds managed to on week 1. The rest received a Disband, or could not week 1, or switch to GNB/DRK. Warrior? 6 managed to, same treatment.

The only reason any job is getting "bullied out of comps" is because of WoWbrained troglodytes that would commit murder for a 2% damage increase.

Huh? What are you even on about... Fflogs states how pitifully low PLD has been vs GNB/DRK, it's griefing to one trick it. Or better yet, it was near 1k behind GNB/DRK in Aphodelos.

Compromising the design of one of the most interesting and thoughtfully designed jobs in the game to cater to these "people" is an absolutely laughable idea and I'm disgusted that SE is even considering it. But then again, I suppose it's okay for this to happen as long as it's not BLM on the chopping block, isn't it?

It's being considered because Pld is hardly getting picked, dumped or JP saying it simply sucks.

[Undeadfire]

Are you here to be civil? Or are you here to waste time over petty subjects? "Omg ACT against TOS", "Fflogs against TOS".

JP, EU, NA raiders, all of them use ACT/Fflogs, SE aren't going to go through hell to ban everyone remotely involved with Savage raiders, content would die in a matter of months.

People getting banned using Twitch are from pretentious white knight players like yourself reporting them for using ACT, resulting them to hide it on their stream to silence those annoyances, either way SE can't really stop it overall. Come back in 5 years and the results will still remain the same, getting really tired of purist players. Classic MMORPGs older than WOW have used parsers, WOW used parsers.

Edit: A better answer, you are not clearing early weeks of Savages if you're out right refusing parsers, or rolling low performance. In other words solid raid groups will not take you, merely just say no soon you request, solid raid groups back ground check everyone.

Edit2: Just stop please, getting really bored with the same argument over the years and progressed nowhere since the start.

[HyperiusUltima]

Run 2.5 or 2.22 GCD. You made a problem up yourself and are demanding the job change to fix it.
Get over yourself.

Get over yourself? Is that how you answer people by being derogatory towards them? Also to note, I hadn't realized that they had recently updated The Balance Discord with new GCDs until a day ago and was going off of GCDs I've known from before 6.2.

[HyperiusUltima]

Anyway, the issue about some PLD openers is about having dps boost ability(FoF) run empty out of combat, only using its tail in opener.
It feels really stupid.

Perhaps the constant buffs to magic phase will push it out, we'll see.

I think the buffs to its Magic Phase are mostly to try and push its numbers up so it can compare to the other tanks in a raid setting - albeit they've made PLD more monstrous in a dungeon setting by giving Confiteor 1k potency on top of Expiacion being more powerful.

As for FoF, I think that pre-pull is mostly for fight timing - something that can be important to have in some fights like Barbie where you have multiple instances of interruption(Hair Tethers) or flat out downtime(first transition).

[SaberMaxwell]

RDM prepulls acceleration. BLM prepulls sharpcast. RPR has Soulsow. AST has to prepull draw. NIN has to prepull Huton>Hide and get Suiton ready. DNC starts their dance prepull. I've seen discussion about <1s IR on WAR, but I'm not sure about it.

So disregarding WAR, that makes PLD one of 7 jobs that has to prepull an ability. It is not an outlier. So what makes it badly designed? Just because you do not personally like it is not indicative of anything objective.
If you do not like prepull prep, play a different job instead of trying to fuck up something that other people enjoy.

Red Mage no longer prepulls Acceleration. It used to, before Acceleration was a Swiftcast, but now that would hurt you more than anything.

It does prepull veraero/thunder still though, if that counts?