Quote Originally Posted by Argyle_Darkheart View Post
PLD has been bad all expansion because its DPS has been bad all expansion. The issue is being drummed up again, but harder this time, because P8S's DPS check is real.

The job's defensive shortcomings just add insult to injury, outside of the concrete disadvantage it faces in DSR P6. They cement the idea that there's no reason to bring a PLD to raid, even if it's a mild exaggeration.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that PLD has issues outsides of numbers, but I really don't think there would be much of a conversation taking place if its damage was good.
Oh for sure damage numbers are the main issue, but it's a great opportunity to address Paladin as a whole, if it was defensively good like warrior you'd have people say "at least its good defensively" but you can't. I think it's very important to treat defensives just as important, number balance, "just buff x potency lol" doesn't lead to much productivity, while taking about general changes ontop of that generally does.

Last raid tier Paladin was struggling but in a ok spot during 6.1 (I believe), the player base im pretty sure was still kinda low, even if you buffed paladins numbers to be on par with Dark knight there would be more drk, gnb players (possibly warrior even if it was lower but not far behind) Just because of the nature of Paladins current kit is generally less appealing then other tanks, It's hard to say I think you make a good point with the bad dps issue I do think that's where a lot of the player base doesn't really want to use it as much as the other tanks as it's generally easier to get into something like a Warrior or Gunbreaker and tank on it.

I would say that people were really complaining about Dark before its numbers were high, now I feel like they put big numbers on it less people are generally complaining (While dark has its problems, it's not really bad in raids). Paladin would be in a similar situation if they gave it big numbers for next tier, so I do kinda hope some smaller (but very real issues), they do need to make some slight adjustments to skill speed imo, I do think it's a good Idea to fix both, sure we can slap big numbers on PLD, but it generally isn't going to fix everything, I'll be happy but I know I'd want a bit more then that.