This video does an alright job at explaining why the Localization is so different

[Midareyukki]

Honestly I'll just say this, especially after calming down a bit. So, really, read if you want, no need to actually care.

I was wrong, and I was speaking out of my ass there. I went by off of what I've personally experienced, yes, but I should still have gone and sought to see if the people in the team were or weren't outsourced. There were no actual real-life sources to what I was claiming, I should have made it clearer that I "thought" it was one way and that I wasn't actually fact-checking it.
It's no different than when I made a post on Hrothgars and claimed that there were Hrothgar being eaten alive by the Cerberus monster in Zadnor: there weren't any, they were Roegadyn, not Hrothgar. What I should have done was not speak from memory alone, but actually go out and check, especially when a lot of people didn't even remember that Skirmish existed.

I do work in translation and I do have some experience in software localization, and some stuff did strike me as odd about Square Enix, though in retrospect, that's just how companies work anyway and Square's no exception. The way these scripts are handled however, should not be taken as part of normal translation processes. A lot of translators DO unwillingly\unknowingly change stuff in a product at levels such as these, but they're not sanctioned. The way FF14 is made is something that's by definition not entirely normal, and changes to this degree aren't what you'd expect from localization. Whether my experience is valuable is entirely up to you, all I can say is my own insight and experience so you guys know that stuff might not be as straightforward as you might expect it to be. And considering we have this topic resurface every few months, it's something people should keep in mind and understand. Because it very quickly leads to people blaming the wrong party.

Again, I apologize, especially also for being incredibly defensive. You guys are right in pointing out my mistake, and YES I was speaking out of my ass. I'm not one of those posters who will just refuse to acknowledge their mistake. I do acknowledge it. But whatever justification I had or whatever grievance I had with the posters who called me out on it really didn't matter because... no, I should take the L and move on. I was wrong. I WAS speaking out of my ass. And nothing changes that.

Whether you want to listen to anything I have to say in the future is entirely up to you, I won't tell you what to do. I will, however, encourage people to fact check stuff, just in case I say something untoward again.

Sorry for the derailing, you may resume the thread.

[swiss_Momo]

"uhhhm, ackshually Final Fantasy games always had garbage English localization, so they're just following traditions" (insert the nerd emoji gif here)

[Midareyukki]

"uhhhm, ackshually Final Fantasy games always had garbage English localization, so they're just following traditions" (insert the nerd emoji gif here)

...about this... have they? The one people tend to point out to being really crappy is FF7's "this guy are sick" translation or FFT's "Defeat Dycedarg's elder brother" moments.
The Nintendo ones were... quirky. But weren't incorrect or didn't change that much as far as I've seen. So much that people gave some quotes a name: Woolseyism.

Then again, FF10 does have Macarena Temple, aye? I don't think that's in JP.

Basically, "what defines as a garbage localization"? Is it text having more or less nuance, is it memes, is it it being butchered...?

[Lunalepsy]

Imagine being terrified of an innocuous Youtube link lmfao.

People are paranoid. It is what it is.

[Kazhar]

...

Hmm I didn't expect such reaction and I'm not too sure what to say. But it wasn't my intention to imply that you didn't know what you were talking about (I'm not a translator. All I know is from the interviews I've indirectly linked), just that your assumption was wrong in that case for the reasons I wrote. If you perceived any hostility, it came from my general annoyance at the community and not your post in particular, which I only used as a jumping point to clarify some other misconceptions I've read in many other places.

[Breakbeat]

posting a link in a forum on a game thats already topful of scam links isnt a really great idea

Here, so no one needs to be scared:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZ56GgKyHk

Jeez. People are overly paranoid x100000000. It's youtu.be for pete's sake.

Is this why people call the cops on other people for watering their lawns and such? The fear is all out of whack.

OMG IT'S A LINK!!!! WHAT WILL WE DO?!?!? WE'RE DOOMED!!!

Lmfao...

[SentioftheHoukai]

Here, so no one needs to be scared:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZ56GgKyHk

Jeez. People are overly paranoid x100000000. It's youtu.be for pete's sake.

Is this why people call the cops on other people for watering their lawns and such? The fear is all out of whack.

OMG IT'S A LINK!!!! WHAT WILL WE DO?!?!? WE'RE DOOMED!!!

Lmfao...

Obviously, they're all Ganondorf. Ganon's alt accounts~

How are they supposed to plot their evil plots with all these LINKS running around untested and unopposed?

[Boblawblah]

Here, so no one needs to be scared:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZ56GgKyHk

Jeez. People are overly paranoid x100000000. It's youtu.be for pete's sake.

Is this why people call the cops on other people for watering their lawns and such? The fear is all out of whack.

OMG IT'S A LINK!!!! WHAT WILL WE DO?!?!? WE'RE DOOMED!!!

Lmfao...

You misunderstand, I'm not giving that youtuber views. If you want us to watch something, summarize the video in the OP.

[TheSuperior]

You misunderstand, I'm not giving that youtuber views. If you want us to watch something, summarize the video in the OP.

It's an easy tactic to promote shill content under the guise of "help" in a community like this. Getting views is extremely competitive unless you get lucky. Like how a video showcasing a new glam gets 3k views vs someone else who does the same thing but better getting 3 on a good day.

[SentioftheHoukai]

never apologize for a well put together post I might disagree with you in regards to the characterizations, imo Haurchefant as a more flamboyant lovable pervert just wouldn't work in the West (English speaking Western coutnries), so I think that's them trying to have the same emotional reaction/connect to a character/situation, and I think it works.

I'm just a bit surprised when non-native English speakers care so much about the English translation. If someone told me the French translation was awful, my reaction would be "oh, okay. Sucks for them", but it wouldn't affect my enjoyment at all.


edit: (added 'English speaking countries in the West') to be most clear

Beyond wouldn't work in the west, people would actively dislike and be creeped out by him. Probably to the point where they'd cheer on his death, and wonder why the hell it was supposed to be sad. Localization is necessary at times, but you have people who refuse to accept that, and bash it for the sake of bashing it. Personally I take what we get because I can't read other languages well, and don't see the point in complaining outside of several questionable story beats which seem to be across all versions.

I disagree, because

This guy exists
He basically IS JP Lord Horse Fart, and yet nobody seems to hate HIM or cheer on his nonexistent death
Nay, if anything the West would be positively tolerant of JP Horse Fart