Duo Groups for Crystal Conflict

[Elfidan]

Yeah there used to only be teams, then they made teams and solo. Sometime later the player base dwindled, and they removed teams so as to not divide the potential pool. They were worried about doing just that with CC, but no role lock is so fantastically bad.

[Towa-Musa]

Having Duo Queues I don't think is that big of a landslide of making a fight into a complete stomp on one team, since having only two out of the 5 people on your team with some coordination between each other that isn't quick chat hat isn't putting the other team at as much of a disadvantage, even if there is multiple duo groups on one team. That is why I brought up League of Legends in my example since they have integrated solo/duo into the same queue and I haven't seen anyone say there experience was bad because of it.

having two high tier dragoons duo together and talking together in discord? yeah they will mess some people up in CC.

[Towa-Musa]

You can't even make it out of Gold while throwing a huge tantrum how it's not ur fault and everybody must be cheating ur a prime example to why this is a bad idea lmao

"Oh they're stuck in Gold they must be bad and their argument invalid haha get good scrub omega lawl." gtfo of here, you have nothing to contribute to the thread you are a toxic person.

[Astralrisk]

Yeah there used to only be teams, then they made teams and solo. Sometime later the player base dwindled, and they removed teams so as to not divide the potential pool. They were worried about doing just that with CC, but no role lock is so fantastically bad.

You basically have it right, they use this same format for every small scale PvP mode, aka the Feast and Mahjong. I do get why they only have solos for CC, as to try and keep everyone in the same queue pool since they were afraid of the population count coming off of what PvP was once was. However, since CC overall is just popular enough to sustain it, and like you said having no role requirements means that queue times wouldn't be as bad. I don't think they'd just open the flood gates and add full group queues immediately, however I felt like having a 1-2 player queue would least accommodate the players who want some group play without dividing the player base or creating one sided matches with full premade groups.

[Astralrisk]

having two high tier dragoons duo together and talking together in discord? yeah they will mess some people up in CC.

Disregarding the fact that you can't class stack in CC to begin with, even having two high burst dmg classes like NIN/DRG trying to focus down one target wouldn't really be a huge issue as it currently stands, as that is something that already happens in the game with random with a small semblance of recognizing when to focus on a target. Which even then there is counterplay to these kind of attacks, which again already exist within the game on both a casual/ranked level.

[Towa-Musa]

Disregarding the fact that you can't class stack in CC to begin with, even having two high burst dmg classes like NIN/DRG trying to focus down one target wouldn't really be a huge issue as it currently stands, as that is something that already happens in the game with random with a small semblance of recognizing when to focus on a target. Which even then there is counterplay to these kind of attacks, which again already exist within the game on both a casual/ranked level.

my point still stands however, that duos with a friend would put you on a higher playing field then those who don't.

[Sindele]

I only used LoL specifically as it's the biggest example of the mix queues, but there other games that have the same format and seemingly do fine with it. And I still think it would be a better alternative to just adding full group queues like they did with Feast. I do agree that if they add the seperate group queue could potentially create population issues, which is why I did think 1-2 player queues would be better since it would least keep the player base in the same queue pool to not completely ruin the queue times.

The problem is that at the first sign of pressure, it's going to be your solo queues that leave first. You might ask, how can I be so sure?, to which I reply: have you read these forums lately? The presence of a handful of early cheaters was enough to turn S1 into a 'cheaters are the entire reason I'm stuck in Bronze and lose every game I'm in' party for months. In this very thread we've got people who firmly believe that the entire reason they can't escape Gold is RNG. Give them a threat like duos and lord, we will never hear the end of it.

But also, unlike the tongue-in-cheek examples, it's not a purely hypothetical threat. The majority of LBs in this mode become exponentially more dangerous with teamwork. This is why much of the skill of this mode is literally just a) learning to communicate your intentions to your group and b) learning to read the intentions of your party in turn. A number of LB+LB combinations are straight up instant team fight wins with little to no counterplay if the timing is right. CC synchronization is rage inducing enough in solos, you want to open the door to choose-two BRD/BLM/RDM/MNK 10s 100-to-0 death trains? A motivated and skilled duo is much, much, much more than the sum of its parts in a rocket tag game mode like this.

It works in other games, but this isn't other games. I just can't see a path to viability for a team queue system outside of tightly controlled competitive environments - bundle it in with solo, and it'll just kill solo off.

[yaba_gabagool]

After reading a lot of heart felt and well informed responses in this thread, I'd like to revisit my original position.

Duo queues are fine.

[Sindele]

After reading a lot of heart felt and well informed responses in this thread, I'd like to revisit my original position.

Duo queues are fine.

[yaba_gabagool]

I mean, when you're right, you're right, and I'm right, you know?

But I hear you, I understand where you're coming from, so I will add...

Adding duo queues would be fine.