Thread: 7.0 News from Reddit.

The definition of dangerous behaviour is travelling to Limsa, going to the Bismarck and telling the head chef you didnt like the food

Originally Posted by VelKallor

Major changes to the MSQ and characters are not made lightly..nor should they ever be. Yet here he is saying "They have outstayed their welcome", "Minfilia was widely disliked" "Widespread calls to remove Yshtola"...I dont see how asking him to justify those broad, sweeping claims is in any way unreasonable.
So i ask in return:

What audience? Where does this come from? If he wants "fresh faces"....who? How? Under what rationale? "Pushed to" what state? How does he know what the audience likes and doesnt like?
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If you DO have such feedback or insight, where did it come from and from whom?

There were comments done against characters both here and on Reddit. Most of those comments brought up how they felt Minfilia didn't do anything and just sat on the Waking Sands waiting for us to do stuff and then be like "pray return to the waking sands". It even became a meme.

As for "people didn't like Endwalker's story". I don't know if that's a majority or not, and he shouldn't consider it as such, but it's a fairly vocal group. We DO have entire threads on that matter that have since been buried, with people saying they didn't enjoy the story.

As for Y'shtola, the only comment I do know people made was for her to "just die already" after one too many fake-out deaths. Basically that's it, the comments were on the plot pulling their leg.

And as for "They have outstayed their welcome", we HAVE seen this sentiment being written by people on these threads, it just isn't a majority. Even on this one. My overall assumption based on how often I've seen people discuss this is that people who interacted with this thread like the Scions, and even those who want them to rotate out agree they should appear as cameos and still have an impact in the future.

How does he know what the audience likes and doesnt like?

I keep saying, the forums are the only place that aren't moderated, people can't downvote you to hell and where the devs actually go to for feedback. So you're more likely to find comments about stuff people dislike here than on Reddit or some random streamer who makes a living off of praising the game's every good deeds.

Also, we're just players of a videogame, not scientists. Odds are we see stuff come from word of mouth and comments in-game or on discord communities rather than verifiable statistics. Not to mention how forum posters are a minority anyway, just like any social media, because we're just a handful of players who do bother to comment on the game unlike the rest of the active playerbase.

So like... don't take what I said as me defending him. I do know where he's coming from bc I've seen comments myself. But that's all it was, comments. I can't say whether it was the playerbase's sentiment as a whole. Memes aren't statistics.

Well put, Midareyukki...thank you

Originally Posted by Midareyukki

There were comments done against characters both here and on Reddit. Most of those comments brought up how they felt Minfilia didn't do anything and just sat on the Waking Sands waiting for us to do stuff and then be like "pray return to the waking sands". It even became a meme.

Obviously those people have never work administration . :P

Originally Posted by VelKallor

Well put, Midareyukki...thank you

That's just my answer though. It'd really help if it were aveyond himself saying it, not me.
I'm just going off of "wait, but I have seen people say it". Considering I get called out on every other thread for being too ambiguous, I wouldn't say that it's what aveyond actually meant (he has to say so himself). Only what I personally have seen.

Originally Posted by hagare

Obviously those people have never work administration . :P

:x probably not

Originally Posted by Midareyukki

thoughtful post

Good post, there ARE a group of people that are tired of different elements of the characters/story, and would like to see a huge change. I appreciate that you acknowledge that it does seem a majority of players aren't ready to just dump the Scions however.

On that thought, imo, it's just not feasible to start completely over with a whole new cast. We did that in ARR, and it took 50 levels of story to start to get a proper group of WoL companions together. Also, if they just dump the scions for the 'edgy scions' such as Fordola, Nero, Gaius, Lucia, and Lolorito as a poster jokingly(?) suggested, I'm willing to bet a massive outcry would result. Yes, let's just dump Y'shtola for Fordola and see how that goes. Estinien? Sorry, you're Lolorito now.

I can appreciate people not enjoying the Endwalker story, and honestly i didn't at first, and I'm only just now slowly coming around to it, but the solution isn't to just dump the cast.

Originally Posted by Boblawblah

Good post, there ARE a group of people that are tired of different elements of the characters/story, and would like to see a huge change. I appreciate that you acknowledge that it does seem a majority of players aren't ready to just dump the Scions however.

On that thought, imo, it's just not feasible to start completely over with a whole new cast. We did that in ARR, and it took 50 levels of story to start to get a proper group of WoL companions together. Also, if they just dump the scions for the 'edgy scions' such as Fordola, Nero, Gaius, Lucia, and Lolorito as a poster jokingly(?) suggested, I'm willing to bet a massive outcry would result. Yes, let's just dump Y'shtola for Fordola and see how that goes. Estinien? Sorry, you're Lolorito now.

I can appreciate people not enjoying the Endwalker story, and honestly i didn't at first, and I'm only just now slowly coming around to it, but the solution isn't to just dump the cast.

its mostly people just trying to throw an atom bomb over small problems in the grand scheme of things.