this game was good before the story turned into marvel multiverse

[Jeeqbit]

The fact that we used hydaelyn/azem's crystal to purify zero in another world that she doesn't even want to save is wild to me.

We saved the beast tribes from all of their problems when they didn't want our help. We stopped a war that dragons didn't want to end. We saved Ala Mhigo when the people of Gyr Abania didn't want our help. We saved Othard when the people there didn't believe we could help. We saved the First when everyone was content it was the end in Eulmore and the sentiment was "this world is beyond saving". Why not save the world of darkness when they don't want it to be saved?

This is after y'shtola told us not to use the crystal way before we beat meteion because it had little power left.

We weren't supposed to use it because it would undo the transformation we had made to the environment that allows us to see and progress through it, not because it had little power left. She didn't know that the Ascian souls had been drawn into it and would recreate the environment permanently using their creation magic, so that the scions didn't need to continue using their own aether for it.

I also don't know why we are reusing lore and bosses from old games just for fan service.

This has always been done since the game started. In ARR, we have chocobos, cactuars, demon walls and midgardsormr.

Yoshi-P explained just recently that if you ask thousands of people what Final Fantasy is, they all have a completely different answer because they all played different single player FF games, so his idea was to make FFXIV a final fantasy themepark with features from all of the different FF games, so that it would appeal to all of them. If it only drew inspiration from one FF game, it would appeal to far fewer people.

[RyuDragnier]

You also forgot that NT failed horribly so Dissidia is a shelfed project as far as SE is concerned. Now if only they had another game where they can bring in cameos. Perhaps a game in which the lore allows for multiple dimensions that may or may not be connected to the other universes of the FF franchise. Oh well, see you in 7.0! :^)

Part of the reason NT failed is that fans of Dissidia expected another Duodecim with a good story and 1v1 matches. Instead we got a 3v3 system where you're forced to constantly play random 3v3 matches just to progress the story. And with all 3 players sharing the same life pool, one bad player or any player getting focused down can result in a loss. It's not exactly fun, which is why it was not well liked, at least in the west.

[ReynTime]

It’s fine if they want to do it for side content like the warring triad trials. Why did we not have a new enemy in the void though? We got zero, Varshahn and his sister as new characters. The team seems to be very competent in making original content related to eorzea as seen in the Aglaia raid. Maybe it’s not that big of a deal, and that I’m just mad about being spoiled for 6.2.

Most of the content in the game that isn't originated from before Yoshida took over is a bunch of callbacks molded into Eorzea. So I don't think they've shown a lot of creativity since Stormblood.

Yoshida was surprised people "looked deep" into the story. The reason is pretty simple to me. He expected players to just look forward to cool references to past FFs and clap. Kinda like how no one really cares about MCU plotlines except diehard comic book fans. The general public just wants to see the characters they know interacting/fighting, the plot is just an excuse for that.

[Raoabolic]

Part of the reason NT failed is that fans of Dissidia expected another Duodecim with a good story and 1v1 matches. Instead we got a 3v3 system where you're forced to constantly play random 3v3 matches just to progress the story. And with all 3 players sharing the same life pool, one bad player or any player getting focused down can result in a loss. It's not exactly fun, which is why it was not well liked, at least in the west.

SE has a weird fear of success. Duodecim was peak Dissidia, all they had to do was build off of that. Why would they shoot down their own semi-successful FF themed smash bros with such a grindy experience? SE really does hate good ideas sometimes, lol.

[RyuDragnier]

SE has a weird fear of success. Duodecim was peak Dissidia, all they had to do was build off of that. Why would they shoot down their own semi-successful FF themed smash bros with such a grindy experience? SE really does hate good ideas sometimes, lol.

It's more that they think what's popular in Japan will work well elsewhere, and that isn't the case. If I had been them, I'd have released NT as it was...but with Duodecim (upscaled graphically with some QoL changes and the new fighters playable in Duodecim, even if just in 1v1s outside of story mode) added inside it. Measure both Duodecim and NT through Online game popularity, and see which one gets more play. That mode is what you focus on for the next Dissidia game.

[Momo_Kozuki]

I thought it was good until the characters became so marketable that the stakes ended up being fake.

Looking at you Ultima Thule

It is more likely a throwback at FF4's twins petrifying themselves to stop the advancing wall of doom, and the monk went a suicide mission to stop the pursuers. Guess who came back throwing thoughts & prayers, recovering every combat-able characters at the end of the game?

[Kazhar]

I just love every time this kind of thread pop out and it's always the same hivemind (also inviting the Zodiark cults/Emet simps), skipping the reasoning behind it and just cherrypicking the bad.

It gets boring already...

You call it a hivemind when it grows with new users fairly regularly, users who often feel marginalized because negative opinion about this game is a weird taboo in many places (but we're the ones in a hivemind right?).
You want to frame it as a hivemind when basically no one in the group agree about anything beyond "Endwalker bad" or "Venat bad". Basically everything else have been the subject of debates even among those who disliked the expac. (was Garlemald handled well? Was the Omega quest good? Is 6.2 a good direction for the game? Are slice of life elements bad for the story? and many others)

[Cheremia]

You must have skipped from ARR to EW then, since cameos and references were always there
I for one want moombas, i love moombas

And I don‘t care if you liked or disliked the story because opinions are opinions buuuuuut…

The amount of people not understanding the ultima „sacrifices“ is very high
The speeches were to counter the sad they got stuck at and to push themself up, hype themself up to win against it to make the area more traversable, their conviction had to be strong to change the area (Urianger quite literally was afraid that his will wasn't strong enough to not give into the sad)

I‘m kinda tired of the scions by now, but they too would risk their live for us, just as we risk ours all the time

It was never about „feel so baaaahd, crai now, loook! They might die die fr fr this time!“
I myself did feel sorta bad because they must have been afraid to fail and vanishing sounds scary as heck but they knew that they had to help us reach the endsinger

…. Also people correcting things is not denying your stance, for both sides
Liking/ disliking can happen because of the „wrong“ understanding and should be corrected, not to change minds tho. If they do want to change your mind at all costs, walking away is the best option lol

You don‘t need to like the actual explanation either, but it wasnt to make you think they‘re gone forever

I don‘t believe that they would have used animals etc. for the third sacrifice
Or that they would have been able to just make entelechies that would not be consumed by Meteions dynamis and also fall to despair since shes been powering up in her echochamber
But i dislike how unclear it is how much venat tried to convince the others and how murky it is how much her followers actually knew
etc etc. There's a bunch of things I liked and disliked but as long as it doesn't bore me and I like the overall thing going on, I don't need it all to be perfect, nothing will ever be perfect so I don't expect it to be, especially an ongoing story that always has to expand for us to play

There ARE missed opportunities and nobody can tell me otherwise (and i liked endwalker, its not my fave but i don‘t hate it), of course some people care more about it than others

.. i like that we started to summon peoples ourself

[Lauront]

That's true, before joining this forum i have never seen that much hostily toward endwalker, even in big communities or in french and japanese sites. This sentiment is pretty much exclusive to this forum in my experience.
I think it makes for some interesting discussion so i tag along, but i didn't expect the official forum to have a reception of the story so different than the community at large.

It's not really. Maybe it was around 8 months ago, but since then? I've seen more critical commentary on it, even on sites like Reddit, and certainly some Japanese sites outside their main forum. Striker just has a script he likes repeating. Like Kazhar said, there's lots of different aspects to what different people disliked, so there isn't always going to be overlap on that point.

[Gaido]

Yoshida in interview about FF XVI said very precisely that FF XIV is a fanservice game :P