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  1. #1
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    CelestiCer's Avatar
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    Celesti Cer
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    Seraph
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    Samurai Lv 100

    Being told to Melee LB3...

    " Melee LB3 now! / DPS LB3 / LB!? / Hello!? ' DPS!?!? " sigh...

    - Short Limitbreak Recap
    LB DPS = average ilvl of parties mainhands. Melee dealing highest LB damage cause its Single target. Casting however ruins your rotation. Depending on which Job? it's more DPS loss for the raid then another. Thus a priority list from left to right is...

    NIN > MNK > fastSAM* > RPR = DRG > slowSAM


    - Here's my major pet peeve...
    Demanding exactly in the moment when we should LB3? Happens to often in clear parties of new Extreme's and the first 2 Savage fights of a tier. Sign of new raiders. I view Critiquing LB3 timing is equal to Critiquing my performance. I should return that critique in kind by critique theirs and yet I don't... I don't question why...
    • Why their rotation is poor
    • Why they don't use BiS available ilvl
    • Why suboptimal melds and food buffs
    • Why are they taking damage downs
    • Why their uptime is so low
    • Why they aren't utilizing burst windows correctly
    • Why aren't they potting
    • Why are they dead on the ground
    • Why did they died more then once in a singular pull...
    All meaningless cause somehow my LB3 should make up for all of it... Newsflash? it does't. It often is the reason why most parties don't clear, sub-par-performances.

    " You in Burst phase and you just chucked a tincture?
    The hail! You better goddamn LB3 righ now!
    " /s...


    - So... When should Melee LB3 for a clear?
    At the end, when boss is about to die. Why? because staying alive seems to be very undervalued. Healer and Tank LB3 and sometimes can be so much more valuable for the sake of a clear where most fights demands most of us to " just be alive and press buttons ". We're not talking P8S doorboss here with week 1 gear with the worst Job comp you can come up with...

    - Saving LB3 is your insurance
    Do not ever downplay Healer LB3 when things go south which often does in first time clearing. Optimize being alive first, then when you do meet Enrage with all members alive and you don't meet the DPS check? then worry about DPS LB3 and uptimes.

    Feels like a double standard... often times not even for my own clear, it's to help others clear who critique when to DPS LB3. I view that as critiquing my DPS performance, then again I am weird. Hours on end on a striking dummy amounts to nothing. God forbid I question them at the same standard of miss performing anything...

    Mr. I take 4 damage downs and die twice but hammer tme on when I should LB3... holy... I can't be the only one that experiences this =__=;
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    Celesti Cer
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Source " https://discord.gg/thebalanceffxiv " - Melee resources

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    Vencio Luirex
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    How’s the Kaiten cult doing?

    -Sips Elegand Ishgardian wine-
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    Party Finder
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    Jenova
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    I wish people would shut the fuck up about Melee LB3 when the party is in a 2 minute burst window.
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    Victor Spoils
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    Coeurl
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    I vaguely recall a rule of thumb along the lines of "using healer LB3 to revive at least 2-3 people without weakness is better for damage." That's probably true assuming they don't die again, though even if they did a DPS LB3 probably wouldn't save the day.

    And in EX3, it was tank LB3 saving the day.
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    RyuuZero's Avatar
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    Ryu Kusanagi
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    Samurai Lv 100
    that's a minmaxing^^
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    Khulan Noir
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    Cactuar
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    Ninja Lv 100
    As a NIN I know it's my job to melee LB, but you guys are gonna have to wait if trick is up. Yelling at me to do it won't make it happen any faster.
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Even if I mean "Please LB after this burst window" or "Please LB at your convenience after you finish the current microrotation" I'm still just going to type

    LB

    because there's no time to type "Please LB after this burst window" or "Please LB at your convenience after you finish your current microrotation" and I'm not going to dedicate a macro slot to such.
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    Error 3102 Club, Order of the 52nd Hour

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    Baal Mirtaq
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    Shiva
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    It really feels bad to LB on DRG given the strictness of its timers but on the flipside it has the lowest personal dps of the 5 atm so i feel obliged to use it regardless (unless the other melee is underperforming).
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    Jace Ossura
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    The time you took to write this post you could have just LB'd.

    Edit: For /s, because I can't be certain that I can leave it off these days.
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