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    FatalCharm's Avatar
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    Sheeana Atreides
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    Famfrit
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    Why does SE want to force us to downgrade our gear?

    Many of us are having to find way to upgrade our iLevel first to 575 then to 585 and who knows what's next, just to experience the new 6.2 content. My 90 RDM which has the highest iLevel of all my 90's is currently at 582 and people are telling me to craft the iLevel 610 gear.
    Well, I started taking a look at craftable 610 gear for my rdm and every piece has anywhere from some to all stats LOWER than what my current 570-595 gear has. In some cases the stats are much lower and the few stats which are higher are barely higher.
    Just because SE decided to label the gear with an iLevel score of 610 does not make it better gear! Why on earth would I want to put worse gear on just for a higher meaningless iLevel score? At this point I am not continuing with the post EW MSQ until SE wakes up and figures this out.
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    Mike Aettir
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    Paladin Lv 100
    For crafted gear, always use High Quality gear, NEVER use Normal Quality. HQ gear will have the stats you expect for an ilevel 610 item.
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    Lynne Asteria
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    Jenova
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by FatalCharm View Post
    Many of us are having to find way to upgrade our iLevel first to 575 then to 585 and who knows what's next, just to experience the new 6.2 content. My 90 RDM which has the highest iLevel of all my 90's is currently at 582 and people are telling me to craft the iLevel 610 gear.
    Well, I started taking a look at craftable 610 gear for my rdm and every piece has anywhere from some to all stats LOWER than what my current 570-595 gear has. In some cases the stats are much lower and the few stats which are higher are barely higher.
    Just because SE decided to label the gear with an iLevel score of 610 does not make it better gear! Why on earth would I want to put worse gear on just for a higher meaningless iLevel score? At this point I am not continuing with the post EW MSQ until SE wakes up and figures this out.
    That's how nq has worked since 2013.

    Never buy nq gear.
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    Shara Dei-ji
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    It's the hamster wheel. For some reason people like it. You're incredible gear must become useless (even with the same stats lol) so they can force the next ilvl on you.

    For some reason, people are okay with it. I'm okay with ilvl increasing, but as you said, lower stats with a higher ilvl is head scratching. I keep having to remember not to update my saved set because it wants to put the lower ilvl gear in the slot if i use recommended.
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    Arya Diavolos
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    Paladin Lv 98
    Are you complaining about normal quality gear being absolute dog water in general, or the fact that it's loaded to the gills with spell speed?
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    Xenahawk Soulphire
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    Sargatanas
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    That's how nq has worked since 2013.

    Never buy nq gear.
    But doesnt that defeat the purpose in general. I dont doubt that being how it worked for years but if the item level is the hurdle normal quality will still get you in but the stats are gonna hurt especially if its less then what you have now. Sorry it has been poking me all weekend when i was checking out my craftin/gathering gear noticing im a bit behind with that gear.
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    Lynne Asteria
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    Quote Originally Posted by xenahawk View Post
    But doesnt that defeat the purpose in general. I dont doubt that being how it worked for years but if the item level is the hurdle normal quality will still get you in but the stats are gonna hurt especially if its less then what you have now. Sorry it has been poking me all weekend when i was checking out my craftin/gathering gear noticing im a bit behind with that gear.
    Crafting and gathering gear is different because the script gear can't be melded so is generally worse than crafted gear which can.

    Hq crafted combat gear has the same stat allocations as dungeon/tome/raid gear of the same ilvl, while nq gear has worse stats.

    It's not make it so you can't just complete a synth without actually doing any work and get good gear.
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    Z'nnah Silverbane
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    That's how nq has worked since 2013.
    Never buy nq gear.
    .. except for DoW/DoM retainers. What a DoW/DoM retainer can bring back and how much of it they bring back is determined entirely by average iLvl, without regard for whether it is HQ or what stats it even has.
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Summoner Lv 100
    There's also such a thing as mixing and matching. People do it for synced content like Ultimate and BLU to get the best stats lined up.
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    Feline Good
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    Halicarnassus
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    Paladin Lv 50
    Just to illustrate what everyone is trying to explain to you...



    I had to look around the MB on my world to find someone selling a piece of nq i610 gear. Top comparison is my HQ 590 compared to NQ 610. Bottom is HQ 590 compared to HQ 610. That should speak for itself.
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