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    How strong is the Warrior of Light?

    Before we begin, I think we can all agree that as of this point in the story, the WoL is much stronger than anything else that's been introduced. However, I'm a huge nerd, and I always thought that quantifying a given character's power level was an interesting conversation to have. That being said, I have my own ideas for how strong the WoL is, along with my thought process for believing so, but I want to hear what the community has to say first.

    So! Hit me with how strong, fast and tough the WoL is, along with why you think this way.
    Aaaaaaaand, go!

    EDIT: It's been pointed out to me that there are in fact cases where beings are stronger than present WoL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenshiDon View Post
    Before we begin, I think we can all agree that as of this point in the story, the WoL is much stronger than anything else that's been introduced.
    Emet-Selch and Endsinger were both still stronger. As are a lot of other things
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    Last edited by FireMage; 09-07-2022 at 04:33 AM.

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    Cant resist.
    WE ARE OVER 9000!
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    Well we have Hydaelyns Ward/The Echo, multiple Job crystals, plus Dynamis now to add into the stew of our character. We certainly hold advantages over most adventures and side character of the story for sure. In the end though, we are basically as strong as the writer for the story wants us to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireMage View Post
    Emet-Selch and Endsinger were both still stronger. As are a lot of other things
    Hmm... I'm not sure about that. As for Emet-Selch, he was stronger than us before we fused with Ardbert, sure, but after G'raha summoned warriors to help us (which is something we can do at will now thanks to Azem's Crystal), we were able to best him. Same thing with the Endsinger, although I will concede that in the case of the Endsinger we did have outside help.
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    As strong as the plot demands
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    As strong as the plot demands them to be or as strong as will make for an interesting story.

    If you want "feats", there's no clear answer as almost every big thing that the WoL faces is done so with the help of the Scions, Adventurer buddies, or some other manner of boost (empowered by the eye of Hraesvelgr when fighting Nidhogg; suffused with the Light of all the lightwardens when facing Hades, only able to control it thanks to the rejoining of Ardbert and the WoL; pushed forward by the prayers and hopes of the Scions on the edge of existence; etc.).

    The biggest, baddest, thing that the WoL has faced and defeated on their own is, well, Zenos and Shinryu, and even then it's unclear if the WoL was alone when fighting Shinryu. Certainly they were when fighting Zenos at the edge of existence but how much they were empowered at that point with the wishes of the Scions that they return is unclear (after all the edge of existence is more of a metaphor than a tangible place). And even in that situation they nearly died.

    In the end, looking at things in a "feats" perspective is reductive, since it dismisses the realities of combat. The WoL, in the end, is still just a person, if you poison them or stab them, they'll crumple like any other, if they get distracted while engaged in combat, they'll take blows like any other. They're just unique in that their soul is more dense and have access to the Echo (and the Blessing of Light besides), and well in that they help people out which makes them liked and then they help out.

    People can and will match them martially or mystically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenshiDon View Post
    Hmm... I'm not sure about that. As for Emet-Selch, he was stronger than us before we fused with Ardbert, sure, but after G'raha summoned warriors to help us (which is something we can do at will now thanks to Azem's Crystal), we were able to best him. Same thing with the Endsinger, although I will concede that in the case of the Endsinger we did have outside help.
    You are aware that both took the work of over a dozen people to down, yes?
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    About the only things seeming to pose a genuine threat to the WoL are godlike and above entities at this point. ....And Zenos for some reason. It's going to be a rather jarring case of plot whiplash if we suddenly start encountering mortals stronger than them after everything they've fought. And, y'know, that whole being made up of most of Azem's essence thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero-ELEC View Post
    As strong as the plot demands them to be or as strong as will make for an interesting story.

    If you want "feats", there's no clear answer as almost every big thing that the WoL faces is done so with the help of the Scions, Adventurer buddies, or some other manner of boost (empowered by the eye of Hraesvelgr when fighting Nidhogg; suffused with the Light of all the lightwardens when facing Hades, only able to control it thanks to the rejoining of Ardbert and the WoL; pushed forward by the prayers and hopes of the Scions on the edge of existence; etc.).

    The biggest, baddest, thing that the WoL has faced and defeated on their own is, well, Zenos and Shinryu, and even then it's unclear if the WoL was alone when fighting Shinryu. Certainly they were when fighting Zenos at the edge of existence but how much they were empowered at that point with the wishes of the Scions that they return (after all the edge of existence is more of a metaphor than a tangible place). And even in that situation they nearly died.

    In the end, looking at things in a "feats" perspective is reductive, since it dismisses the realities of combat. The WoL, in the end, is still just a person, if you poison them or stab them, they'll crumple like any other, if they get distracted while engaged in combat, they'll take blows like any other. They're just unique in that their soul is more dense and have access to the Echo (and the Blessing of Light besides), and well in that they help people out which makes them liked and then they help out.

    People can and will match them martially or mystically.
    This.

    And Endsinger played on the fact that the WoL isn't really one to face big threats alone:
    "You gifted them escape and left yourself powerless. Bereft of the synergy you claim is your strength."
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