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  1. #1
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    Avatar de Josh_the_Human
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    Agni Calico
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    Lamia
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    Pistosabreur Lv 90

    New Game + is in desperate need of rewards

    I really want to replay the story, like, a lot. I'm unfortunately discouraged to do so, because why sink hours to replay the story when I could be grinding a job/raid/relic/etc with all that time and actually get rewarded for it?

    The incentive for clearing the story for the first time is obvious - it unlocks side content and dispense enough EXP to reach cap. Obviously, NG+ shouldn't do either of those things. NG+ unlocking raids and such is nonsensical at best, and it giving large doses of EXP would probably greatly harm the current leveling grind ecosystem.

    What NG+ should could offer are exclusive collectibles with no gameplay impact whatsoever. Stuff like mounts, minions, titles and glamours. It shouldn't ever be something that would give you an advantage over others, just something that make you see a player and go "wow, this guy did the MSQ again and got this sweet thing? I want it too!". It could even be simple variants reskins or recolors of existing toys, like a pimped out Manacutter or a glowing chocobo chick minion (that last one sounds boring but you get the idea). It would've been cool to be able to get the main cast's outfits from NG+ as well but that will not happen due to reasons

    Instead of awarding specific rewards with specific story-lines, I imagined a system similar to Achievement Certificates, where you'd get tokens by playing quests again to spend at a merchant in whatever is the current highest level zone. Maybe a dev self-insert NPC?
    Of course such a system would need proper balancing as well as to prevent players from replaying the same 2-3 quests because they're short and easy.

    I hope I didn't treat the story as a chore because it is genuinely amongst if not my #1 all time favorite stories in any media. It's simply that it's very lengthy to replay without incentive. I try satisfying my replay craving by listening to the godly soundtrack but it makes it worse, and watching other people go through the game on Youtube or on streams just isn't the same, because it's not your own Warrior of Light.
    I really hope this reaches some dev's attention. This game is absolutely majestic and I can't wait to see what's next!
    (6)

  2. #2
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    Ilisidi Malguri
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    Ragnarok
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    Botaniste Lv 100
    No, the story shouldn't become a grind chore for fancy rewards that just tell you "person spammed progress chat and skip cutscenes as far as possible". If you want to see it again, that's reward enough. If you want to see it again like a new player would, make another character.
    (55)

  3. #3
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    Lorelai Oshidari
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    Danseur Lv 100
    Citation Envoyé par Ilisidi Voir le message
    No, the story shouldn't become a grind chore for fancy rewards that just tell you "person spammed progress chat and skip cutscenes as far as possible". If you want to see it again, that's reward enough. If you want to see it again like a new player would, make another character.
    Pretty much this, it's meant as a way to replay the story for people who enjoy the lore and want to revisit it without the pain of leveling an alt. It's not something that needs incentive to do.
    (22)

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    Man, I disagree but didn't think most people where against it, it's a damn shame :/
    I'll replay it when I'll have capped every jobs in a couple years then ;_;
    (2)
    Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

  6. #5
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    Guerrier Lv 100
    It wouldn't be fun to be forced to do the story again for a mount when I've already done it. I already know the story, so it would be a chore to make me go through the same mountain that new players have to go through that makes a lot of them quit or take long breaks because of how far away the current content is.

    Skipping is actually even less fun. I've done it on alts and the amount of teleport and skip over ARR and 4 expansions is boring. The only thing that kept me entertained was the novice network.
    (9)
    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

    Citation Envoyé par Jeeqbit Voir le message
    Want to know why new content will never last more than 20 minutes? Full breakdown:

  7. #6
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    The way I see it, nobody is getting forced to do anything since mounts are pure cosmetic with no advantages other than glam. Also, a certificate system would ensure you get to choose the questline you want to re-experience.

    I'm still burning adamant positive NG+ should give something, maybe not collectibles but something indeed... Discounts in the Square Enix store?
    (0)
    Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

  8. #7
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    Lynne Asteria
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    Jenova
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    Rôdeur vipère Lv 100
    Citation Envoyé par Josh_the_Human Voir le message
    The way I see it, nobody is getting forced to do anything since mounts are pure cosmetic with no advantages other than glam. Also, a certificate system would ensure you get to choose the questline you want to re-experience.

    I'm still burning adamant positive NG+ should give something, maybe not collectibles but something indeed... Discounts in the Square Enix store?
    It gives you the ability to re-experience a story you last did years ago without needing to make a new character. The other stuff comes from doing the rest of the game's available content.
    (19)
    Dernière modification de Valkyrie_Lenneth, 04/09/2022 à 14h13

  9. #8
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    Johanna Yevon
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    Pass.
    Im personally not a fan of the idea of putting incentives into New Game Plus. It, kinda defeats the point and original purpose of creating it in the 1st place.
    If you really wanted to replay the game...then just do it XD. Either with an Alt, or in New Game Plus. If you want to be reward while you do it....Im not sure if you are actually interested in re-experiencing the story, or if you just want more unlockables, which could be earned in better ways.

    DPS and Healer Mounts for playign High Level Duties like the Tanks would be cool.
    (14)

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    Player Avatar de Darthgummibear
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    Angrypillow Duvall
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    Marilith
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    They should just have NG+ give poetics. It's the most equitable solution.
    (5)

  11. #10
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    Zedlizvez Mikasch
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    Hyperion
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    Machiniste Lv 100
    The only gain I'd accept from new game + is achivements.
    Let us start the story as if we started in another city, as another class we have unlocked, and do the game from the point of view of another town.... and maybe get those achivements.
    (11)

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