1 week savage delay and everything that plays into it

[Raven2014]

so you are saying that statics like ours should continued to be dps check walled in week 1 relying on crit lucks? I understand that it does not bother you since you are not affected by that change and have enough gear once you reach p8s,

To put it bluntly, yes. You're setting up an artificial wall for yourself by setting up that 1 week thing.

And to point it out, you can get around that wall by changing your team comp. I don't believe fights should be balance and meant to be clear on week 1. But of course I don't say to make it impossible. It simple means if you want to do it, you have to go the extra mile. Either putting more hour than what can normally expected of a average gamer, or be flexible team with your team comp, or have a degree of skill beyond the content designers, or all the above. The wall is not impassable, you're just annoyed because you don't willing to do all it takes to climb it.

And you never need to climb it in the first place. People don't climb Everest and complain it too hard, do they?

but why do you not want us to enjoy week 1 even more?

I thought I made it very obvious of the why. Your enjoyment comes at the cost of other enjoyment and the "you" here is an extremely small groups comparing to a much larger majority. (Unless of course you want to claim the majority of people are first week clearers?). And I would like to point out, my main problem with your OP isn't really about your own claim, but your superflious claim you made on behalf of people who are probably on the exact opposite of your spectrum. I had quoted it in my first post, but I will quote it here again to remind you:

-> you may say "well, play better, deal more dps as your class". yup, we have room for improvement. we are not world racers. we are a solid static clearing savages week 1 for multiple years. but if even we are barely able to clear the dps check, week 2/3/4 raiders are not motivated but disencouraged.

And I will tell you this, speak for yourself, because that's certainly NOT true. The week 2/3/4 people would appreciate the fact the fight still remain a good challenge by the time we get there. I don't want it to be balance around first week clear and in turn become a trivial affair in the latter weeks.

Raiding in just about ANY MMO has always meant to be a progression system over time. The early clears while expected, should never be the standard. And if it's not the standard, it should not be what to be balanced around.

[INymphI]

I don't believe fights should be balance and meant to be clear on week 1.

okay, in which week then? if we say week 2, what are the reasons to enter any content week 1 if they are not possible to clear?

The week 2/3/4 people would appreciate the fact the fight still remain a good challenge by the time we get there.

if you read other posts in this thread instead of your own you would see that there are indeed people disencouraged by the tight dps check in week 1, having fear not able to clear it on week 2/3/4.


I think you have got something fundamentally wrong: by reducing the dps check (week 1) from impossible to hard, it would not change to an easy experience for week 2/3/4.
all I say is: if a group plays all mechanics deathless, without any dmgdown and any standard-comp pressing their buttons they should be "rewarded" with a clear, even in week 1. for now the same rule applies to week 2/3/4: even if they play everything perfect they still might not be able to clear the dps check.

if that is fun to you, okay, but do not tell me I am selflishly speaking for a whole group while you do the same for the opposite group.

[INymphI]

And I would like to point out, my main problem with your OP isn't really about your own claim, but your superflious claim you made on behalf of people who are probably on the exact opposite of your spectrum.

And I will tell you this, speak for yourself, because that's certainly NOT true. The week 2/3/4 people would appreciate the fact the fight still remain a good challenge by the time we get there.

calling me out for my superflious claim on behalf of people and doing the same on your own 2 sentences later
*mic drop* bye
haha :-D

[Raven2014]

if we say week 2, what are the reasons to enter any content week 1 if they are not possible to clear?

But it is though? You just have to do what it takes.

if you read other posts in this thread instead of your own you would see that there are indeed people disencouraged by the tight dps check in week 1, having fear not able to clear it on week 2/3/4.

I never said there is none other than "you". But my point stand unless you believe there are more week 1 clearers than any other week, in that case I'm sorry but the statistic and math is not on your side.

I think you have got something fundamentally wrong: by reducing the dps check (week 1) from impossible to hard, it would not change to an easy experience for week 2/3/4.
all I say is: if a group plays all mechanics deathless, without any dmgdown and any standard-comp pressing their buttons they should be "rewarded" with a clear, even in week 1.

There are things called common sense and logic, that's not possible to bent no matter how you want to play the word (what the word "fundamentally" doing here except being a big word and trying to be impressive?). With all else holding constant - which they are (unless the fight scale with gear level), the only variable is the ilvl, and higher ilvl as the week progress = easier fight. Try to argue against that logic is like trying to argue the Earth is flat, good luck with that.

calling me out for my superflious claim on behalf of people and doing the same on your own 2 sentences later
*mic drop* bye
haha :-D

There is nothing superflious about my claim, because I'm making on the side of people who does not clear week 1, which is the portion of players I am a part of. You were making the superflious claim because you were making it on behalf of the group you do not represent. As a week 1 clearer you are advocating your own benefit by making claim it will not affect people who do week 2/3/4. It's like hearing a CEO trying to explain why his need of bigger bonus will not affect working condition/compensation of his worker ... Do you need further explanation why your claim is superflious?



And don't forget to pick up the mic you drop. If you're more interest in theatrics posting, I can assure you I'm not interested in watching.