1 week savage delay and everything that plays into it

[Yeastyloins]

What? How the hell did you even begin to come up with that? What kind of logic is this? When did I say I want to clear week 1??? And how is it my fault my clears are beholden to low tier players?

Also, no I'm not going to join a static, I just like the game, the community? Not so much, why? Because I'd get people like you.

I'm mean, raiding in a static vs raiding in PF is going to have significant differences. It on average tends to be easier. So yeah, go join a static if you feel like PF isn't up to snuff. Although based on that last line in your post, I suspect you might have a hard time doing that.

I just assumed you were talking about week 1 given this is a thread about week 1 and you were responding to somebody talking about week 1 dps checks so IDK.

[Ivtrix]

I'm mean, raiding in a static vs raiding in PF is going to have significant differences. It on average tends to be easier. So yeah, go join a static if you feel like PF isn't up to snuff. Although based on that last line in your post, I suspect you might have a hard time doing that.

I just assumed you were talking about week 1 given this is a thread about week 1 and you were responding to somebody talking about week 1 dps checks so IDK.

You would be bewildered to learn that pugs clear the tier long before you and I do. There were week 1 pugs last tier and there will likely be week 2 pug clears this week.

[Yeastyloins]

You would be bewildered to learn that pugs clear the tier long before you and I do. There were week 1 pugs last tier and there will likely be week 2 pug clears this week.

No doubt, but on average are the majority of week 1 clears PF clears or statics?

[Ivtrix]

No doubt, but on average are the majority of week 1 clears PF clears or statics?

Irrelevant. If the pug can coordinate as well as a static the issue remains. Comps should be able to clear the dps check.

[Aluja89]

I'm mean, raiding in a static vs raiding in PF is going to have significant differences. It on average tends to be easier. So yeah, go join a static if you feel like PF isn't up to snuff. Although based on that last line in your post, I suspect you might have a hard time doing that.

I just assumed you were talking about week 1 given this is a thread about week 1 and you were responding to somebody talking about week 1 dps checks so IDK.

You assume too much. Statics in general are slower because they're not exempt from bad players, but they'll eventually get to clear the tier.

I'm not complaining about others, I'm complaining that enjoying Savage through PF is not feasible anymore because of all the new players(again I'm not blaming the new players, they can't help it), I didn't clear the last tier for example, in fact even after I got my clear in P3S, I didn't even attempt P4S. i was mentally drained and the only reason I cleared it is because I started a party and heavily quizzed whoever joined. It got that cynical and that's just not how anyone should have fun.

[Yeastyloins]

You assume too much. Statics in general are slower because they're not exempt from bad players, but they'll eventually get to clear the tier.

I'm not complaining about others, I'm complaining that enjoying Savage through PF is not feasible anymore because of all the new players(again I'm not blaming the new players, they can't help it), I didn't clear the last tier for example, in fact even after I got my clear in P3S, I didn't even attempt P4S. i was mentally drained and the only reason I cleared it is because I started a party and heavily quizzed whoever joined. It got that synical and that's just not how anyone should have fun.

Fair enough, having had to do PF during last tier on weeks where I had to miss my static's normal raid nights due to work deff gave me a headache from constantly having to cycle from groups left and right due to people dropping after 1 or 2 wipes. Similar experience in p4s since I had to get my first clear in PF. Likewise, I'd still say that you might fare better in a static provided you are able to find one that is composed of individuals that mesh well personality and gameplay-wise. Sure you might potentially clear a week or 2 potentially later, but you also have that chance to overall have your time spent raiding be more effective and satisfying despite not clearing as fast longterm.

At the same time, I can understand the burnout, I had something similar but in WoW and it made me cynical towards the playbase due to the headaches that emerged from the pugging scene. But that is a whole different beast from stuff seen in 14.