1 week savage delay and everything that plays into it

[ACE135]

To me the only thing the savage delay shows is that players are unable to control themselves. It looks like they want to be protected from their own behavior. It seems unusual to me that players activly asking SE to force delay something. Usually it's the other way around and they want all at once.

Everything the delay accomplishes was also possible before but players willingly chose to rush through the story to start raiding. It was always possible to leisurely do the story and start raiding thereafter, let it be some days or also a week later. Now people will say what is with statics where some players want to rush and some not. Well, you can adapt to one side or you can look for like-minded players, as people say. There is no difference if people just wait a week to get into savage or as now have to wait a week to get into savage. Did some people fear that other players could get ahead and have one gear piece more than them when they decide not to rush? But then there is to ask why is it your business what other people do.

[Adamantini]

Particularly?
1 I don't care about it
2 Rush will always exist. Regardless of what you do, something will be rushed by some players.

I would say more, but this guy said it all.

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[INymphI]

To me the only thing the savage delay shows is that players are unable to control themselves. It looks like they want to be protected from their own behavior. It seems unusual to me that players activly asking SE to force delay something. Usually it's the other way around and they want all at once.

Everything the delay accomplishes was also possible before but players willingly chose to rush through the story to start raiding. It was always possible to leisurely do the story and start raiding thereafter, let it be some days or also a week later. Now people will say what is with statics where some players want to rush and some not. Well, you can adapt to one side or you can look for like-minded players, as people say. There is no difference if people just wait a week to get into savage or as now have to wait a week to get into savage. Did some people fear that other players could get ahead and have one gear piece more than them when they decide not to rush? But then there is to ask why is it your business what other people do.

>Everything the delay accomplishes was also possible before but players willingly chose to rush through the story to start raiding. It was always possible to leisurely do the story and start raiding thereafter, let it be some days or also a week later.
You are correct, even without the delay we could enjoy cutscenes, story,... However completing story, prepping gear, etc took at least 2 days. Week 1 is a challenging task, so taking 2 days away is making it even harder.

> There is no difference if people just wait a week to get into savage or as now have to wait a week to get into savage.
There is, see above point. Instead of pushing everything into a very limited time frame for preperation taking possible raid time from week 1 away, I can do everything (story, gear, ...) during a full week.

> Did some people fear that other players could get ahead and have one gear piece more than them when they decide not to rush?
It is not a fear of getting gear ahead (maybe for world racers?). See above points.

> But then there is to ask why is it your business what other people do.
Why are you here then?

[MrChrischan]

To me the only thing the savage delay shows is that players are unable to control themselves. It looks like they want to be protected from their own behavior. It seems unusual to me that players activly asking SE to force delay something. Usually it's the other way around and they want all at once.

Everything the delay accomplishes was also possible before but players willingly chose to rush through the story to start raiding. It was always possible to leisurely do the story and start raiding thereafter, let it be some days or also a week later. Now people will say what is with statics where some players want to rush and some not. Well, you can adapt to one side or you can look for like-minded players, as people say. There is no difference if people just wait a week to get into savage or as now have to wait a week to get into savage. Did some people fear that other players could get ahead and have one gear piece more than them when they decide not to rush? But then there is to ask why is it your business what other people do.

Dude I can't even describe how wrong this is. Given Savage wouldn't have been delayed, why would I let seven other people of my group wait because I'd like to watch cutscenes? As a week 1 raider myself I love the delay because I could craft my stuff, watch cutscenes and progress the story without any hesitation. And I know of many others who enjoyed that. How is that bad?

Of course you can always leen back and enjoy story, etc even without the delay but with clearing week 1 as our main target we never know what's gonna happen, how dps checks are going to be, yadda yadda yadda. So you rush through story and stuff to be able to raid as soon as possible. It's not even about who's gonna finish first or how you compete against other groups. It's about accomplishing our goal as group together.

To basically say no raider cares about the story in general and skips because of that und therefore it's irrelevant whether Savage gets delayed or not just shows how ignorant you are. You already said you never did Savage and never will do in the past and it shows. There's no downside with delayed Savage for you and yet you persist on it making no difference for anyone. Just complete bullshit.

[ACE135]

To basically say no raider cares about the story in general and skips because of that und therefore it's irrelevant whether Savage gets delayed or not just shows how ignorant you are.

I never said that raiders don't or can't care about the story. I did say people always had the ability to first enjoy the story if they want and start raiding after that. But some people chose not to and felt the need to rush.

[SendohJin]

I never said that raiders don't or can't care about the story. I did say people always had the ability to first enjoy the story if they want and start raiding after that. But some people chose not to and felt the need to rush.

Not much of a choice when people have schedules.

[Rilifane]

To me the only thing the savage delay shows is that players are unable to control themselves. It looks like they want to be protected from their own behavior. It seems unusual to me that players activly asking SE to force delay something. Usually it's the other way around and they want all at once.

Everything the delay accomplishes was also possible before but players willingly chose to rush through the story to start raiding. It was always possible to leisurely do the story and start raiding thereafter, let it be some days or also a week later. Now people will say what is with statics where some players want to rush and some not. Well, you can adapt to one side or you can look for like-minded players, as people say. There is no difference if people just wait a week to get into savage or as now have to wait a week to get into savage. Did some people fear that other players could get ahead and have one gear piece more than them when they decide not to rush? But then there is to ask why is it your business what other people do.

Chrischan already covered some points nicely but you also seem to severly underestimate the difference between 1st week raiding and the rest of the tier. I don't fault you for it because you don't seem to do savage but don't judge people for something you don't fully understand.
1st week raiding is simply an entirely different beast because you don't have tome gear from several weeks worth capping, you don't have good guides readily available, there is no pressure to know the theory beforehand because there are not enough resources to know it, you do all fights with entry level gear and don't know what to expect yet and have to figure it out as you go.
Especially in PF guide knowledge is required more and more with each day. By week 2-3 everyone will except you to know the theory, you'll struggle to find a party that progs blind and not already slightly overgeared. And it's a huge accomplishment and very satisfying for a static to push 1st week prog and clear several, if not all, floors. Clearing it 5 weeks later isn't the same and that has nothing to do with being afraid of others getting ahead. It is a special challenge you only have once per tier that forces you to think on your feet, make up strats as you go and watch closely what is even happening while barely meeting the requirements to be there.

Without the delay you have to choose between using a chance to experience a tier differently that only get every 6months or more and doing everything else in peace. So many people understandably chose to rush because it's something you don't get to do often.