1 week savage delay and everything that plays into it

[Aluja89]

Personally I'm sitting Savage out from now on. I tried to prepare and get another weapon for my tanks in case I needed to switch but in 2 whole evenings I couldn't get a single reclear from farm parties. This just made it obvious, that the average skill level of players has diminished. Bundle that up with awful class balance and from what I'm hearing a ridiculous DPS check in P8S, I'm out.

Savage is simply not feasible anymore, it's not fun, it's just frustrating.

It needs to change.

[Rilifane]

To me the only thing the savage delay shows is that players are unable to control themselves. It looks like they want to be protected from their own behavior. It seems unusual to me that players activly asking SE to force delay something. Usually it's the other way around and they want all at once.

Everything the delay accomplishes was also possible before but players willingly chose to rush through the story to start raiding. It was always possible to leisurely do the story and start raiding thereafter, let it be some days or also a week later. Now people will say what is with statics where some players want to rush and some not. Well, you can adapt to one side or you can look for like-minded players, as people say. There is no difference if people just wait a week to get into savage or as now have to wait a week to get into savage. Did some people fear that other players could get ahead and have one gear piece more than them when they decide not to rush? But then there is to ask why is it your business what other people do.

Chrischan already covered some points nicely but you also seem to severly underestimate the difference between 1st week raiding and the rest of the tier. I don't fault you for it because you don't seem to do savage but don't judge people for something you don't fully understand.
1st week raiding is simply an entirely different beast because you don't have tome gear from several weeks worth capping, you don't have good guides readily available, there is no pressure to know the theory beforehand because there are not enough resources to know it, you do all fights with entry level gear and don't know what to expect yet and have to figure it out as you go.
Especially in PF guide knowledge is required more and more with each day. By week 2-3 everyone will except you to know the theory, you'll struggle to find a party that progs blind and not already slightly overgeared. And it's a huge accomplishment and very satisfying for a static to push 1st week prog and clear several, if not all, floors. Clearing it 5 weeks later isn't the same and that has nothing to do with being afraid of others getting ahead. It is a special challenge you only have once per tier that forces you to think on your feet, make up strats as you go and watch closely what is even happening while barely meeting the requirements to be there.

Without the delay you have to choose between using a chance to experience a tier differently that only get every 6months or more and doing everything else in peace. So many people understandably chose to rush because it's something you don't get to do often.

[Xaphire]

Personally I'm sitting Savage out from now on. I tried to prepare and get another weapon for my tanks in case I needed to switch but in 2 whole evenings I couldn't get a single reclear from farm parties. This just made it obvious, that the average skill level of players has diminished. Bundle that up with awful class balance and from what I'm hearing a ridiculous DPS check in P8S, I'm out.

Savage is simply not feasible anymore, it's not fun, it's just frustrating.

It needs to change.

Savage doesn't need to change. A really difficult week 1 DPS check is *fine*. It should be hard at minimum item level. It should require the optimum class distribution. The things that mattered last week, won't matter as much this week and even less the week following.

[xbahax92]

Im curious how underperforming jobs are taking a hit due to the heavy dps check in p8s.
MCH must be in shambles now...

[INymphI]

Savage doesn't need to change. A really difficult week 1 DPS check is *fine*. It should be hard at minimum item level. It should require the optimum class distribution. The things that mattered last week, won't matter as much this week and even less the week following.

> A really difficult week 1 DPS check is *fine*. It should be hard at minimum item level.
I agree, it should be hard. I don't want to clear the doorboss or final boss with 3-5 deaths and healer limit break, wouldn't really feel like an accomplishment.
however this doorboss in particular is on a level nearly impossible, even with a upgraded tomestone gear weapon.

> It should require the optimum class distribution.
highly disagree on this one. any standard-comp (2 tanks, 2 heal, 2 melee, 1 phys range, 1 magical range) should be able to clear fights during the first week. it's frustrating to say the least and it excludes players from the game (there was a PF for p8s "clear doorboss, sorry, fixed roles" only allowing GNB, DRK, SMN/RDM, DNC/BRD) - I can fully understand that guy

[Iyrnthota]

Im curious how underperforming jobs are taking a hit due to the heavy dps check in p8s.
MCH must be in shambles now...

MCH have been in shambles for what feels like an expansion and a half at this point.

[Curisu]

I really like the 1 week savage delay.
It reduces stress to zero.

You have a week to play and enjoy the raid story.
A week to prepare your gear for even multiple classes to be prepared.
A chance to practice a new boss with your new static and to eventually find a new one or kick one member when you realize that they can't even beat a savage trail.
You can open Twitch to watch streams about savage progging without accidentally getting spoilerd by people who stream the MSQ.

It makes me enjoy the whole savage raiding even more.

[Azuri]

Im curious how underperforming jobs are taking a hit due to the heavy dps check in p8s.
MCH must be in shambles now...

Like 10 MCH clears vs. 187 DNC ones. And there is just a single WAR/PLD clear.

[Liam_Harper]

Im curious how underperforming jobs are taking a hit due to the heavy dps check in p8s.
MCH must be in shambles now...

MCH is the only job that simply doesn't exist on the top 50 speed ranking for P8s part 2 right now.

[Aluja89]

Savage doesn't need to change. A really difficult week 1 DPS check is *fine*. It should be hard at minimum item level. It should require the optimum class distribution. The things that mattered last week, won't matter as much this week and even less the week following.

No it's not and no it shouldn't.

You're obviously in a static, most aren't. Go ahead, try to prog in PF where by the way, most people do Savage and only a small number clear while the rest are stuck with the deadweights. Try being stuck with them for 5 weeks.