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  1. #41
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    I'm still quite frankly amazed at how SGE can be the most bland, boring, god awful dogwater job this game has ever received, and there are people who say "Yes, please make SCH more like SGE."
    They are correct on how Dissipation needs to be redone, though, considering no other healer gets a part of their healing kit completely locked out from using a single move, just for it to buff 3 GCD spells you should never be casting in most situations.
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  2. #42
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    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Esther Harper
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    They are correct on how Dissipation needs to be redone, though, considering no other healer gets a part of their healing kit completely locked out from using a single move, just for it to buff 3 GCD spells you should never be casting in most situations.
    Redone/ adjusted, yes.
    Removed, no.
    That Dissipation only affects GCD heals is completely outdated, it should definitely affect oGCDs as well. That way eating the fairy would be a decent tradeoff for higher healing. And the duration is too long considering we got Aetherpact, Fey Blessing and Seraph, which we did not have during HW when it was introduced. During HW the whole thing had much more merit than nowadays and it's proof that they haven't looked at healer kits and how times and gameplay have changed in a long time. They just piled more and more oGCDs up without checking if some don't need tweaks or reworks.
    20s lockout and 20% to all healing sounds more like a fair tradeoff to me.
    Having tradeoffs isn't inherently bad but they need to have merit to even be considered and I agree that 3 AF stacks and 20% more GCD heals isn't enough to warrant a 30s lock when ShB and EW placed more emphasis on healing with the fairy.
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  3. #43
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    Redone/ adjusted, yes.
    Removed, no.
    That Dissipation only affects GCD heals is completely outdated, it should definitely affect oGCDs as well. That way eating the fairy would be a decent tradeoff for higher healing. And the duration is too long considering we got Aetherpact, Fey Blessing and Seraph, which we did not have during HW when it was introduced. During HW the whole thing had much more merit than nowadays and it's proof that they haven't looked at healer kits and how times and gameplay have changed in a long time. They just piled more and more oGCDs up without checking if some don't need tweaks or reworks.
    20s lockout and 20% to all healing sounds more like a fair tradeoff to me.
    Having tradeoffs isn't inherently bad but they need to have merit to even be considered and I agree that 3 AF stacks and 20% more GCD heals isn't enough to warrant a 30s lock when ShB and EW placed more emphasis on healing with the fairy.
    It's part of why I feel like SCH needs a relook and a partial rework. Almost every capstone with the exclusions of Sacred Soil and Expedient, will lock you out of another move in some fashion. It's not exactly something that has aged well, and could use a bit of fixing, thus why I say partial rework. A lot of the abilities and spells are fine, but some of them do need some reworking (not removing). The Fairy Gauge could also get some use, since it's just there for Fey Union (and thus a waste). I still don't understand why they thought AST needed a rework more than SCH.
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  4. #44
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    einschwartz's Avatar
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    Ein'sf Florr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    • Playing sage is like night and day with their instant shields.
    I absolutely love how mobile SGE due to this. But yeah, I still prefer scholar because at least it's less braindead than just pop shield then call it a day.

    And nothing beats that sweet and beefy critlo. Always makes me smile.
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  5. #45
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    RobynDaBank's Avatar
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    Hope Sunflame
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    I'm still quite frankly amazed at how SGE can be the most bland, boring, god awful dogwater job this game has ever received, and there are people who say "Yes, please make SCH more like SGE."
    Sage is more mobile and its amount of buttons - and what they do - is much more digestible than SCH.
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  6. #46
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    Cesan Duff
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    weird, I thought SCH is better than SGE currently
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  7. #47
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Such bait. There's still no detail on the original issue with SCH.
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  8. #48
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by hagare View Post
    weird, I thought SCH is better than SGE currently
    It is, SCH is better in all categories except for shielding on the move
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    Such bait. There's still no detail on the original issue with SCH.
    There is detail if one knows where to look for it. The original issue was player skill.
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  10. #50
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    Mello Minkus
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    Faerie
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Threads about one specific job should probably be in the job forums.
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