7.x Summoner Idea

[DamianFatale]

It has been a long time requested, but we still do not have Ramuh or Shiva summons. Heck, Blue Mage which is a limited, and not even a real job, got skills themed after them long before summoner. It is time that Summoner got these skills, so here is my idea.

When you go into phoenix mode, it should flip the summons for Ifrit/Garuda/Titan into new ones! Theme them after the opposite elements of the magia board.

Ice is the opposite of fire, and Ifrit pairs beautifully with Shiva. Having Ifrit turn into Shiva after firebird trance expires.

Lightning is the opposite of earth, so lets make Titan turn into Ramuh.

The opposite of Wind is Fire or Ice, so this part could get a bit confusing, and if you add another fire summon, that is THREE fire summons that summoner can do.. which I understand might be a bit annoying, but I will say this. Belias. Belias makes sense if we are going for an opposite theme. Belias also already has a model in the game, so it would work quite well. It is an esper! :3

[Vahlnir]

You know, this is actually a heck of an idea. Take my like.

[Raikai]

I feel that new gemstones on the Phoenix phase is the most obvious step for 7.0 Summoner... It just needs to be the missing Water, Lightning and Ice aspects. Water is also in opposition to Earth, so it would be in the place of Titan. Edit: Oh, I see now... the gemstones we got so far make that we can't have exact opposites without repetitions. Hmm... still, I think it would be just a matter of adding the missing elements.

I even made a doodle trying to manifest that!


It would be a thematic full circle for Summoner, being able to transverse through the entirety of the aetherical wheel... I would even say that Bahamut and Phoenix can represent the Umbral and Astral polarities respectively (even though the gemstones won't match that exactly, but every element can have either polarity anyway).

They could even explore a different gameplay approach. Since the 1st set of gemstones are more instant-cast based, this one could be the opposite way: one mobile instant-cast and 2 gemstones with cast times.

[DamianFatale]

I feel that new gemstones on the Phoenix phase is the most obvious step for 7.0 Summoner... It just needs to be the missing Water, Lightning and Ice aspects. Water is also in opposition to Earth, so it would be in the place of Titan. Edit: Oh, I see now... the gemstones we got so far make that we can't have exact opposites without repetitions. Hmm... still, I think it would be just a matter of adding the missing elements.

I even made a doodle trying to manifest that!


It would be a thematic full circle for Summoner, being able to transverse through the entirety of the aetherical wheel... I would even say that Bahamut and Phoenix can represent the Umbral and Astral polarities respectively (even though the gemstones won't match that exactly, but every element can have either polarity anyway).

They could even explore a different gameplay approach. Since the 1st set of gemstones are more instant-cast based, this one could be the opposite way: one mobile instant-cast and 2 gemstones with cast times.

I love this. Still would look cool with Belias. Just because it would be a red/orange like gem, doesn't mean it couldn't be different from Ifrits.

[WellGramarye]

I feel that new gemstones on the Phoenix phase is the most obvious step for 7.0 Summoner... It just needs to be the missing Water, Lightning and Ice aspects. Water is also in opposition to Earth, so it would be in the place of Titan. Edit: Oh, I see now... the gemstones we got so far make that we can't have exact opposites without repetitions. Hmm... still, I think it would be just a matter of adding the missing elements.

I even made a doodle trying to manifest that!


It would be a thematic full circle for Summoner, being able to transverse through the entirety of the aetherical wheel... I would even say that Bahamut and Phoenix can represent the Umbral and Astral polarities respectively (even though the gemstones won't match that exactly, but every element can have either polarity anyway).

They could even explore a different gameplay approach. Since the 1st set of gemstones are more instant-cast based, this one could be the opposite way: one mobile instant-cast and 2 gemstones with cast times.

This is brilliant, but you forgot an important thing. The Pheonix Bar doesn't have his Aetherflow glasses on I demand you rectify this.

[catbuncle]

I feel that new gemstones on the Phoenix phase is the most obvious step for 7.0 Summoner... It just needs to be the missing Water, Lightning and Ice aspects. Water is also in opposition to Earth, so it would be in the place of Titan. Edit: Oh, I see now... the gemstones we got so far make that we can't have exact opposites without repetitions. Hmm... still, I think it would be just a matter of adding the missing elements.

I even made a doodle trying to manifest that!


It would be a thematic full circle for Summoner, being able to transverse through the entirety of the aetherical wheel... I would even say that Bahamut and Phoenix can represent the Umbral and Astral polarities respectively (even though the gemstones won't match that exactly, but every element can have either polarity anyway).

They could even explore a different gameplay approach. Since the 1st set of gemstones are more instant-cast based, this one could be the opposite way: one mobile instant-cast and 2 gemstones with cast times.

I love this idea so much!


There's a few gemstones used in crafting, so if they didn't want to use aquamarine for water b/c that's the mount's one, they could use Lazurite. They could do purple carbuncle summon and mount with Amethyst / Spinel / Iolite. etc.

[hagare]

I like this idea.
But I just want them to add more egis.
I just don't know if it's an if or when situation

[DamianFatale]

I like this idea.
But I just want them to add more egis.
I just don't know if it's an if or when situation

I'm so desperate for an egi update, I made an entire macro system to use to change my egi at any time I want.. its so redundant and needlessly complicated in the manner it is implemented. :L

[Jirah]

wouldnt the opposite of ifirit be levi? then titan to shiva and then Garuda to Ramuh?

Lets think this logically your only spewing aesthetic which is widely superficial, in theory this would amount to a long ass rotation double the current size of 6.0 SMN. and 6.0 is already very well documented to be incredibly shallow and loose in terms of both gameplay and theme. Yea the hardcore larry fans might moo in glee that their summons show up for all of 4 seconds leave and nothing else happens, but i color it on the paper thin side. and plays way worse than it looks. also if patterns persist SMN wont get much but like idk a finisher or something benign and would play the same. Happened with MCH

[Momo_Kozuki]

I'm all for new summons, especially if their rotations are different from their counterpart (like Ifrit is gap-closer + strong fire-aspected ruin from a far, while Shiva is melee fast-space and can disengage as a finishing strike (or you can choose not, similar to RDM).


Also more skin for carbuncles.


Also perhaps Eden version of primals at lv90.