Transparency in playtesting

[Kachou_]

I am progging P8S with my static consisting of WAR PLD MCH RPR RDM SMN WHM and SGE. We have been wiping to P8S door boss for 3 days now, no dmg down no death, enrage enrage enrage enrage enrage enrage enrage enrage enrage enrage enrage enrage enrage enrage enrage enrage enrage enrage enrage enrage. According to statistics, this comp is almost impossible to clear the DPScheck. I would like to request more evidence that this fight is even properly playtested. How do you playtest your game to determine a proper DPScheck? What job do you use for playtesting? Are you aware that even a mediocre GNB does more damage than world best warrior? How can you release content that is not clearable for certain comps? What were you thinking?

The only way I can justify this is that the raid is only playtested using ONE SINGLE COMP that devs play. This is why I posted this thread. Please show evidence that your game is properly playtested.

BTW, some people told me to just switch a job. Thank god the savage is delayed for one week so we can waste 500 tomes on some DPS class and only to realize it is the current worst job in the game.

[CKNovel]

"Every job is viable" copium that used to intoxicate the community is hitting back very, very hard in this tier.

There are 3 logged MCH clears, 2 logged RPR clear. Around 90% of the ranged players are DNC.
We had a MCH in our comp and couldn't pass the DPS check even with multiple perfect runs. If we had a Dancer, we counted around 15 runs that could've been a potential clear and 11 that were a 100% clear.
We stopped aiming for week 1 because we were smart enough to realize that we aren't good enough to compensate for what the MCH lacks.

That tier balance has been the worst since early Heavensward.
I really hopes this shakes things up and ends once and for all the "every job is viable" mentality.

[RylaBee]

It's bit of a obvious troll isnt it?

But for the fun:

RPR - is slightly dps taxed possibly because additional support they bring, but mostly OK-ish.
SMN & RMD potencies are hanging way back, than where they should be.
MCH - it would take multi-volume chronicles to explain, what are the reasonings behind how MCH performs, but I recommend you take it to Deepest Dungeons (Palace of the Dead etc), they are supposed to be great there.

WAR is dps taxed for its survivability, probably correctly, since its insane.
PLD is dps taxed, because someone at SE feels like it (also is great in normal content, can substitute healer in dungeons, they didnt asked for it, but whatever).

[CKNovel]

It's bit of a obvious troll isnt it?

It's a slight lie from OP but not a troll.
You cannot clear P8S week one with the wrong composition.
Even bringing a MCH or a RPR needs the whole group to play near perfection and fish for RNG.

I am praying very hard for that specific group that usually run every content with DNC and MCH in their party.

[Lyth]

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MNK, DRG, SAM, NIN, and RPR all have personal defensive actions. I would hardly characterize the small regen tacked on to RPR's defensive as 'additional support', especially when MNK has the likes of Mantra without penalty.

Also, it's unlikely that jobs were designed to be balanced around six year old single player content. The real reason for these discrepancies is that some jobs are just a lot louder with their complaints than others. And that tends to get reinforced over time as those jobs get buffs over the others.

[RylaBee]

Its kinda weird with MCH,
there used to be time (was it end of Stormblood?) when MCH was part of speed-run composition (it had to do with that legacy piercing-buff, that DRG used to have).

I'm not saying whether that is right or wrong. But I would feel that MCH - as a selfish DPS - should be just slightly below the melee dps and slightly above SMN/RDM/DNC/BRD.

Why it is not I don't know, supposedly SE is realy strugling with its design.

[CKNovel]

Its kinda weird with MCH,
there used to be time (was it end of Stormblood?) when MCH was part of speed-run composition (it had to do with that legacy piercing-buff, that DRG used to have).

That was HW.

Basically, DRG had the piercing debuff that permanently buffed the damage of BRD and MCH. I can't remember if it was 5 or 15%, in any case it was insanely strong.
Then you had Ninja with Trick Attack. SAM and RPR weren't in yet, MNK was basically a TP joke and didn't had brotherhood.

Since raidbuffs were limited to Ninja, MCH, BRD, DRG and SMN you could just stack them.
But there was only 4 DPS spot and DRG synergized with BRD&MCH. Ninja was a no-brainer.
On top of that, Wildfire was a 60s and simply repeated a percentage of the total damage dealt. Which means it worked with any buffs.

Stormblood MCH was not bad, it was just a real pain to play and BRD just gave the whole party 2% critical hit just by existing.
MCH had Dismantle which was Addle but on a 60s CD and BRD had Troubadour which was similar to tactician, I think the effect depended on your song thought.

[Kachou_]

It's bit of a obvious troll isnt it?

But for the fun:

RPR - is slightly dps taxed possibly because additional support they bring, but mostly OK-ish.
SMN & RMD potencies are hanging way back, than where they should be.
MCH - it would take multi-volume chronicles to explain, what are the reasonings behind how MCH performs, but I recommend you take it to Deepest Dungeons (Palace of the Dead etc), they are supposed to be great there.

WAR is dps taxed for its survivability, probably correctly, since its insane.
PLD is dps taxed, because someone at SE feels like it (also is great in normal content, can substitute healer in dungeons, they didnt asked for it, but whatever).

Already disbanded lol

[Kachou_]

It is never a good idea to combine an overly tight DPS check with bad job balance.

[Kachou_]

Do you really think a designer at SE will think "hmm this job is too good in Deepest Dungeons lets nerf it". I am slightly confused because I don't have any idea why you even bring Deepest Dungeons up when we are discussing about savage content.