Foreign Invasion

[Necrotica]

Has the void ever mounted a large scale attack on the Source on it's own?

See lots of cases throughout history where they were summoned to attack. Or people on this side made deals to bring them. But as far as I know they lack the power to open portals and come over on their own. The Source has to initiate contact.

In which case...

Are we justified in going over there, killing what is going to end up being a shit ton of them along with their leaders, only to rescue a single POW of an alien race that does not even belong on our own world in the first place?

The void is a bad place. Not going to defend that. But it is THEIR place.

[myahele]

Its ok when the Scions and WoL are doing it

[KageTokage]

It's unlikely it's going to be just for the sake of Azdaja as there's a bigger endgame at play that Golbez has only vaguely hinted at still but likely has repercussions for the whole of the 13th and possibly the Source as well.

[Cleretic]

A lot of the War of the Magi is a mystery, but one of the few things that we know wasn't was that Diabolos was manipulating Mhach and pulling the strings to get himself more power; part of this was deliberately teaching them how to seal Scathach wrong so that he'd be able to consume her. Amdapor kinda threw some wrenches into that plan, but that means that yes, we know that there's at least one instance of voidsent staging an attack on the Source of their own initiative, and it's in a context where it's unclear how big such an attack could have been. Maybe it was Diabolos as a lone but powerful agent, maybe he had a whole damn faction.

Combining that with the fact we know for a certainty that Golbez is angling for an attack on the Source, that would make going to the Void to kick Golbez's army in the teeth something roughly equivalent to when we liberated Ala Mhigo. The fact that they're not attacking us at scale literally right now doesn't mitigate the facts at hand that:

1. They have done so before,
2. They clearly have intention to do so again, and would like to do so sooner rather than later,
3. And that they aren't exactly creating a state of affairs in their homeland that the public like.

Point three makes intervening a liberation mission, while points one and two make it a proactive defense. And of course then there's Azdaja making it a rescue mission, too, and which one of those three it is probably differs depending on which member of our group you ask.

Necrotica's going to pretend some or all of these aren't legitimate points to keep being angrily contrary and desperately trying to find an angle for 'the WoL is baaaaaad', but I'm not stating this for her, I'm stating this for anyone else who happens to be here and thinking about this: yeah, it's not exactly worse than what we did in Stormblood. Probably better, actually, depending on if you think Zenos was a better ruler of Ala Mhigo than Golbez is of voidsent.

[VictorTheed]

They got a loved one hostage, u do what it takes for your loved ones, even if it's not your loved one but one of your friends loved ones, cause that friend is a loved one.

Besides that place is ran so horribly it could benefit from an invasion, it ain't like we'd make it worse, knowing us we'd probably save it like we did the 1st.

[Enkidoh]

Also, I recall the whole reason Azdaja was lost in the Void in the first place was because the Allag under Xande had opened massive gates to the Void as part of their pact with the Cloud of Darkness to aid them in vanquishing the Mercaydians (Azdaja flying into it to try and close it from the other side), so I think it's very much a yes that the Void can and will invade the Source if given the chance, especially as many voidsent are reduced to a single minded "consume aether" state due to aether starvation and the chance to consume an entire world of aether is too appealing.

The only reason they haven't since the Allag's days is due to the Voidgates that have appeared after the Allag's fall being generally too small and unstable to let much voidsent through, and even then only low tier ones, and usually singularly, even the one we've just brute-forced open in Alzadaal's Legacy - there are exceptions to that though - just prior to the Seventh Calamity for instance Atomoses were materializing above aetherytes throughout Eorzea, deaspecting the aetherytes and turning them orange, allowing them to disgorge hundreds of Voidsent that would swarm the surrounding area - after Dalamud fell though, they disappeared.

But it remains to be seen if Golbez's 'crusade' is indeed a planned invasion of the Source - definetely the hints are there.

[Cilia]

Sufficiently powerful Voidsent can't cross natural dimensional fissures and they are by nature chaotic creatures, so Voidsent have never launched a full-scale attack on the Source. (May or may not change depending on Golbez' plans.)

Voidsent adhere to the rule of power; if we're able to take what we want, we're wholly justified in so doing by their standards. I don't think they much care.

[Necrotica]

Sufficiently powerful Voidsent can't cross natural dimensional fissures and they are by nature chaotic creatures, so Voidsent have never launched a full-scale attack on the Source. (May or may not change depending on Golbez' plans.)

Voidsent adhere to the rule of power; if we're able to take what we want, we're wholly justified in so doing by their standards. I don't think they much care.

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE it if the WoL lived by that rule going forward.

EDIT: I am fine with us going invading conquerors so longs as we keep that mindset with all people we encounter going forward.

[Cilia]

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE it if the WoL lived by that rule going forward.

EDIT: I am fine with us going invading conquerors so longs as we keep that mindset with all people we encounter going forward.

Except that's not what we're there for. We're there on a search and rescue mission; the fact we're attacked the instant we step through the portal isn't our fault.

"Might makes right" is their rule, not ours. The ones that recognize trying to make a meal of us is a losing prospect don't attack and are left in peace. We're there to find and rescue Azdaja, not kill Voidsent or conquer their territory.

[sidurgu-12]

Except that's not what we're there for. We're there on a search and rescue mission; the fact we're attacked the instant we step through the portal isn't our fault.

"Might makes right" is their rule, not ours. The ones that recognize trying to make a meal of us is a losing prospect don't attack and are left in peace. We're there to find and rescue Azdaja, not kill Voidsent or conquer their territory.

since golbez is seen as the pinnacle of the void i wonder whatll happen after we beat him.