An incentive to do normal trials

[Momo_Kozuki]

I like Storm's Crown and try to farm her card for now, but after that, I don't have an incentive to do the trial in normal mode anymore.



I know about trial roulette, yes, but just like Alliance roulette, it can be manipulated by lazy people to just run the simple lv50 trials, so chance you have the trial you like is very slim.



I know about Extreme mode, but the thing is that I don't do Extreme/Savage/Ultimate. To me, the difficulty in the normal mode is just about right for non-raiding players like me.


I run Fell Court of Troia in a daily basis without roulette cuz I want the gear/glam and like the aesthetic/music, as well as it gives nice income of weekly-cap tome. In comparison, The trial itself, like every non-ARR trial, takes as long as one of a new Panda: Abyssos raid to finish, but has worse tome income and drop nothing save for a chance for a card. And the card itself can be grinded with Extreme mode, so people don't really have any incentive to grind the normal trial if they don't mind the harder difficulty.



I remember that the ARR trial drops weapons/weapon coffers in normal mode, which I think a very nice addition. Even if I don't like the glam, I can just turn them into Grand Company seal for other goodies.


I like that even a non-raider can still benefit from the new 8-man raid tier with non-dyeable gear. I wish to see a similar treatment to trials for this game, which are rich in mechanic and diverse in execution even in normal mode, so that casual players like me can feel eager grinding them, enjoy the aesthetic, music, instead of just going through them once and done.

[Reimmi]

I wish normal mode dropped non glowing weapons and then extremes came *with* the glowing weapons rather than 2 years later
But thats a tradition the devs dont seem to want to break, sadly.

[Deveryn]

What would normal trials offer? Certainly not the weapons or the totems used to buy them.

If you haven't, I would still say to give EX a try. While more difficult, it's also more structured. The fights don't last more than 12 minutes. There are always people learning there. There's enough incentive in the loot table to run it regularly or casually.

[Darthgummibear]

Unlike the ARR, I've actually had pretty good luck with the trial roulettes. I can't remember the last time I got the same one two days in a row.

[Renato]

What would normal trials offer? Certainly not the weapons or the totems used to buy them.

I'd be cool with an undyeable lv1 skin (similar to how the gear is in PVP) of the weapon. Instead of coffers dropping for armor, maybe an item similar to totems that you can exchange for lv1 gear specifically for glam. Kind of like how Memoria is at the moment.

Most people, that I know at least, don't do EX or savage but are interested in the glam. Many of us just wait some years for unsynced. I feel like those who want the challenge and rewards of harder content can still get powerful gear while those who want the glam can get just that but will have to grind a bit more for it.

[Deceptus]

What would normal trials offer? Certainly not the weapons or the totems used to buy them.

Instead of putting old relic mats in POTD / HOH they could have put them on Trials Roulette and Normal Raids.

Would have incentivized daily running. But nope, the SE devs had to put those in the most obscure content they've made at a ridiculously low drop rate. Hell they could keep it in POTD/HOH at a low drop rate but put it on the Trials / Raids roulette at a guaranteed 1 per day each.

They have this system that incentivizes doing them once a day in place to make consistent progress but they refuse to use it for other things that need grinding.

[Seraphor]

Extreme/Savage/Ultimate are about as starkly different from each other as Normal is from Extreme, and they really don't deserve to be lumped together like that. Many are easily puggable, Diamond Weapon for example is easier than some Normal trials once you got the 'limit cut' style mechanic down.

What I'm saying, is give EX a try, it's absolutely accessible for non-raiders.

That said, Normal modes should give something, Normal raids do. Even if it's just clusters/crystals/materia, a chance at a TT card, orchestrion scroll, or the rare material used to make the crafted weapons.

[Iscah]

What would normal trials offer? Certainly not the weapons or the totems used to buy them.

They could give "token fragments" and let you trade five fragments for one EX totem or something. It would let people get some benefit out of the normal modes while keeping the EXes more efficient and the only way to get the direct weapon and mount drops.

[Gemina]

I wouldn't worry about ilv cheese for Trials roulettes. The roulette is used more for tomes than it is XP, and there isn't a whole lot of benefit from cheesing the ilv. The roulette can very well throw players into Chrysalis, which can and does wipe groups after the 7-8 minutes it takes to get to the point players wipe.

I agree with the poster who said to consider giving the EX trials a try. Some can be considerably more punishing than their NM counterparts, but I wouldn't let that deter you. The clears are also considerably more rewarding as a result of that. They are designed in a way to be not as demanding as Savage and Ultimate, but still not allow clears if too many mistakes are made. My experience with practice parties in the PF is they are very forgiving, and people are there to learn the fight. If they happen to clear it: bonus.

As for incentives, I am not sure what could be tossed in there. The EX versions already have everything: Orchestrion page, crafting mat for barding/furnishing, totem, and chance at mount. Plus it isn't really all that difficult to get into any particular trial at any given time by queuing into a specific trial that you like to run. Any kind of glamour/minion/random item would be a 'done once won' for most players much like the TT card is now.

I wouldn't say no for something that could be turned in for GC seals, but that is actually a nice little bonus for getting thrown into a lv50 trial.

[NekoMataMata]

Extreme/Savage/Ultimate are about as starkly different from each other as Normal is from Extreme, and they really don't deserve to be lumped together like that. Many are easily puggable, Diamond Weapon for example is easier than some Normal trials once you got the 'limit cut' style mechanic down.

What I'm saying, is give EX a try, it's absolutely accessible for non-raiders.

That said, Normal modes should give something, Normal raids do. Even if it's just clusters/crystals/materia, a chance at a TT card, orchestrion scroll, or the rare material used to make the crafted weapons.

Define puggable. At least on Crystal I've yet to run through a PF listing for something end game that didn't eventually lead to you hopping into a discord and tolerating other people for a set amount of time in voice which can be really exhausting, especially if you join before the party is even full. Keep in mind that is my limited experience but myself and other players aren't all social butterflies and it's a bit of a shame that we have to get so up close and personal with others instead of simply learning a generic routine for fights that are rather generic and scripted.