Samurai Buff

[Karasio]

I was talking about those CCs that you mentioned. SAM's are all cleansable and on a longer cooldown or part of a combo. You never address the melee caster angle. What about that? By the fact that SAM is a melee who has cast times the kit would need to be better to justify the casting but 36k MCH LB go brr. Reaper's big boy nuke? That's not the uncleansable fear effect right? I'm just asking because SAM has no uncleansable CCs. Yeah it has an additional Purification. That has the same timing problems btw

Nobody's arguing ranged jobs are in a worse place lmao. Stop trying to deflect from the fact that samurai's kit is fine as is. MCH LB being instacast with no counterplay is fucking stupid, everyone knows that.

SAM cast times in pvp just don't make any logical sense. Its fine in pve, but throwing cast times onto a melee in pvp is never a good thing unless the burst justifies it like how it was for sentinels in swtor with master strike, but that was a 3 hit channeled skill that hit extremely hard and did damage during the casting. It also rooted the opponent in place.

I think leaving cast onto ogi namikiri is fine if they increase the potency on it, but midare probably shouldn't have a cast time in pvp. SAM isn't really bursty enough to justify a melee having to cast so much to burst. Majority of the time when a SAM jumps me I just walk away from them or CC them real quick as I'm really never worried about their burst since its a super obvious cast animation with an extremely loud audio cue.

I'd argue the opposite. Leaving cast time on midare is fine because of the damage it does but something should be done with namikiri, like scaling damage or something to justify it having a cast time. Or have second cast of iaijutsu after midare, no cast time. Like higanbana and having that dot. Idk, there's options to make it more feasible.

[BRVV]

So ranged are in a worse state? I aggree. Guess SAM's kit is fine but it's just that the (magical) ranged jobs, the tanks, the other melees and the healers are better. I mean what would you change besides buffing Namikiri? How is SAM's kit fine if you want to buff Namikiri? I don't see this as a fine kit that. I thought you meant it can stay as it is. Don't know why it's "fine" if it needs changes.

[Karasio]

So ranged are in a worse state? I aggree. Guess SAM's kit is fine but it's just that the (magical) ranged jobs, the tanks, the other melees and the healers are better. I mean what would you change besides buffing Namikiri? How is SAM's kit fine if you want to buff Namikiri? I don't see this as a fine kit that. I thought you meant it can stay as it is. Don't know why it's "fine" if it needs changes.

My brother in christ your reading comprehension needs some work.

[BRVV]

Guess you never played SAM in PVP and don't understand how bad cast times on a melee are. No worth talking to you if you're unable to participate in a discussion. I don't get why a lot of people on this forum move to personal attacks instead of sticking to the topic.

[Karasio]

Guess you never played SAM in PVP and don't understand how bad cast times on a melee are. No worth talking to you if you're unable to participate in a discussion. I don't get why a lot of people on this forum move to personal attacks instead of sticking to the topic.

There is no discussion to be had with someone who either refuses to read or is illiterate lmao. What I said, and I'll dumb it down for you is "Nobody is saying ranged are in a worse state balance-wise currently"

Samurai's kit is pretty fucking stacked so it's gotta have some trade-off, that's it. Well, ninja doesn't but ninja is its own case lol. Your LB doesn't need any buffs because heavens forbid something in this rancid pvp actually have counterplay.

[BRVV]

To sum it up: Everything overpowered but SAM. But SAM is fine though
Great trolling my dude

[Ransu]

There is no discussion to be had with someone who either refuses to read or is illiterate lmao. What I said, and I'll dumb it down for you is "Nobody is saying ranged are in a worse state balance-wise currently"

Samurai's kit is pretty fucking stacked so it's gotta have some trade-off, that's it. Well, ninja doesn't but ninja is its own case lol. Your LB doesn't need any buffs because heavens forbid something in this rancid pvp actually have counterplay.

SAM isn't really all that stacked. Its pretty easy to shut them down. The only time its a pain to deal with them is when they have an LB.

[AtomicBomb]

A neat idea that just occurred to me: What if the Meikyo buff refreshed every time it successfully absorbs a crowd control effect? Would help SAM immensely as a frontliner and to get its casts off, and would also add some counterplay for the enemy to think about. Think twice before you slam that SAM!

[Sawamura]

SAM isn't really all that stacked. Its pretty easy to shut them down. The only time its a pain to deal with them is when they have an LB.

Sam kit is really all that stacked if everyone stand still and not attack sam! It just like let a blm, smn and mch freecasting/shooting at backline while wonder why our teammate is dead and think our teammate must be bad at game!

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

A neat idea that just occurred to me: What if the Meikyo buff refreshed every time it successfully absorbs a crowd control effect? Would help SAM immensely as a frontliner and to get its casts off, and would also add some counterplay for the enemy to think about. Think twice before you slam that SAM!

Meikyo Shisui even without an extension effect is a god-given CC protection that can only be countered by Miracle of Nature. While it would sound and feel funny, I would not extend the effect.

Instead, globally re-adding "Fetter Ward" so everyone can have a Meikyo Shisui style CC protection would be most welcome. Would require retuning of certain jobs, but would give more agency to individual players for safer engagements.