Why does "The Island of my Dreams" look exactly like everyone elses?

[VelKallor]

The island of my dreams has a house and customizable biomes.

Yet you were told again and again this wasnt instanced housing. Customisable biomes? Wut? and just HOW can this be done?

I don't think this is an unreasonable ask if they truly plan to continue updating the content.

How do you even know this is even possible with the current engine?

[Darthgummibear]

I think that was the point, though. The garrison was intended to be a central element to the plot (and I agree, I enjoyed the mission board back then). Island Sanctuary specifically isn't supposed to be plot-essential. It's entire purpose is to be side content like the Gold Saucer that you can do at your leisure while waiting for queues, chatting with your FC or LS, etc.. I wouldn't expect it to be of the same level of involvement as something that drives the entire plot.

The garrison's attachment to the plot is inconsequential for the purposes of this conversation. Even without it, the garrison had far more personality, you actually had cool decoration options, and there was more to actually do. Actual size notwithstanding, the garrison had more depth and character than the mammet factory we got stuck with.

[VelKallor]

the garrison had more depth and character

...seeing as WOD's only other content was raid or die.

It would be a good idea not to laud garrisons, as WOD's net effect was to wipe out more than 50% of the bloody playerbase in FOUR MONTHS.

Garrisons were fine, not as if there was anything else to do.

WOD was in every sense of the word an absolute disaster, a gigantic screwup, add to that Mr "Cube crawl" Afriasabi's war on flight that lost them ANOTHER one million players, and you have the textbook definition of abject failure.

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/top...ds-of-draenor/

Intro: (0:00) Alliance City: (0:02) Horde City: (0:27) Ogre Continent: (0:58) Farahlon: (1:17) Frostfire Purple Desert: (2:14) Shattrath Raid: (2:42) Garrison in any zone: (3:20) Trophies: (4:04) Renaming your Followers: (4:20) Tier 3 customization: (4:49) Specific Follower Missions: (5:45) Garrison buildings wherever you want: (6:34) Cleave Tertiary Stat : (7:07) Gromash Hellscream Final Boss : (7:55) The Chronal Spire : (8:14) Gorehowl legendary : (8:50) Broken Horn Village : (9:42) Kargath Survives : (10:07) Class Accessories : (10:25) Zangarmarsh Zone: (10:38) The 4 Scrapped Battlegrounds : (11:03) Ages of War Await : (11:37) Early Gorgrond Trains : (11:56) Feral Worgen storyline : (12:20) Maraad & Yrel relationship : (12:44) Removed Islands : (13:01) Medivh Cameo : (13:16) Trial of the Gladiator : (13:34).

and here

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...rds-of-Draenor

Thats what...ten pages of what was left out?

One comment from that thread

No, they didn't. They USED THIS INFORMATION AT BLIZZCON 2013 TO SELL PREORDERS. They used it as hype to sell their product. That goes beyond telling us what they wanted to do. No expansion has ever had the amount cut that WOD did. Not even close. Yes, Wrath had Azjol-Nerub cut and turned into 2 dungeons, but Wrath still has a massive amount of content. Meanwhile WOD has 1/3 the endgame content of Cataclysm. And also they lied about everything that was cut until the last minute, and instead of announcing cuts on their site at the time the decisions were made, they waited and tried to sneak announcements out on Twitter and on obscure sites, and they would always do these on a Friday before a long weekend. They didn't even have enough respect for the players to make the announcements on their own website.

WOD was a more expensive expansion with 1/3 of the content of Cataclysm. And it had 1 content patch. 1 freaking content patch. Even Cataclysm had 3. But it's not just the cut content. It's also the way they handled it. If they had communicated with the players and treated them with respect, perhaps more could've been forgiven. But no, they handled it in a very arrogant way with NO respect for the players at all. They outright lied in interviews.

[NanaWiloh]

I want my island to have agressive natives who eat people.

[NanaWiloh]

The cool kids have a fountain, not a windmill.

Fountain is cool until someone mistakes it for a toliet.

[Darthgummibear]

the garrison had more depth and character

...seeing as WOD's only other content was raid or die.

It would be a good idea not to laud garrisons, as WOD's net effect was to wipe out more than 50% of the bloody playerbase in FOUR MONTHS.

Garrisons were fine, not as if there was anything else to do.

WOD was in every sense of the word an absolute disaster, a gigantic screwup, add to that Mr "Cube crawl" Afriasabi's war on flight that lost them ANOTHER one million players, and you have the textbook definition of abject failure.

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/top...ds-of-draenor/



and here

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...rds-of-Draenor

Thats what...ten pages of what was left out?

One comment from that thread

Everything you just said was meaningless and had nothing to do with the point of garrisons being better than the island. Obviously WoD sucked.

[Kisshu]

Even with the current system they could have made more effort in some cosmetic customizations.

For the workshops, have different types you can select. One is the current mill, another would be a kitchen, a smithy, a furniture workshop, alchemist lab and so on.
Then for the granaries it could be a storehouse/barn, or a toolshed with mining or woodcutter tools.

For landmarks, have a personal house around the size of a single plan small house. Give us 3-4 versions of it with different layouts of furnitures and design.
For current landmarks, give us versions. Instead of a bathhouse that seems to draw more from SHB dwarf style, let me have one in a Sharlyan or Lominsan style.

This could make for more varied islands while still using the current system.

[Neoyoshi]

Exceeded expectations because they told us not to have any lol

Yes.

xD

[Pablomaldito]

The important thing is that the island provides us with a backpack that really gives Lalafells even more annoying little kid energy. Just don't fall into the noobtrap of buying it immediately with your starter currency. That took all of my willpower to resist >_> .



Now we just need a propeller beanie hat.

[Jojoya]

Everything you just said was meaningless and had nothing to do with the point of garrisons being better than the island. Obviously WoD sucked.

Garrisons also sucked at WoD launch. A lot of that garrison specific content didn't get added until 6.1 and it was hastily slapped in trying to control the subscription bleed. A few other things didn't get added until 6.2 (like the shipyard and the holiday decorations you thought to mention earlier).

Remove all the content related to player progression from garrisons and you end up with what's basically a miniature Island Sanctuary. Garrisons did have more building choices but that's because most of those buildings had specific purposes in player progression.

Mission table? Analogous to the Sanctuary workshop. Both had primarily economic purposes, though the mission table was also mandatory for player progression on the Legendary ring and provided raid gear.

Garrisons had just a small mine and tiny herb garden to gather from. Sanctuary has an entire island with the nodes spread out.

We get to let minions wander around various areas of the Sanctuary once we upgrade the cozy cabin for the first time (that was probably the first or second day for most of us). To have your companion pets wander around your garrison, you first had to level the garrison to Rank 3 (took months) and then you had to choose to build the Pet Menagerie and level it to Rank 2 (honestly can't remember at this point how long that took but I'm pretty sure it was at least 2 weeks).

We know more content will be getting added to Island Sanctuary over the course of this expansion. Seems like SE should be given the chance to add more content to Island Sanctuary over the next couple of patches before it gets compared to Garrisons that also had a couple of patches to flesh out what they had.