Barrier to entry for crafting is to damn high.

[Sqwall]

Define Endgame crafting, because it certainly is not i610 PvE gear nor is in cranking out Raid food to flood the market. That's normal crafting.

Endgame crafting is a multitude of things. And this is NOT just crafting....Gathering is part of crafting as well. So you have to look at them together...not separately. That being said....Crafting and Gathering is incredibly deep.

Example: Just learning how to spiritbond your gear is incredibly complex and different set's of gear have different RNG values on what type of materia ranks you could get.


1. Crafting Scrips and Gathering Scrips...Crafting scrips cannot be done if nobody gathers the mats. Period. Most crafted raid food requires scrip farming. These mats can be sold on the MB One just has to simply look up Garlean Cheese and see how to make that...it's work.

2. Tomestone Mats. You can't get tomestones efficiently unless you do your dailies for dungeons/raids/MSQ/PvP/etc... Tomestone mats are required for mid level mats. These mats can be sold on the MB

3. Mid-Level Mats. These are made primarily from legendary node mats and tomestone mats. These are usually the most cost effective way to make Gil. You can HQ them or NQ them...either way they WILL sell. These are required for the 610 gear

4. Materia melding/Penta melding. This materia is gained by scrips, quicksynth spirit bonding, and hunts. Materia isn't required, but it helps GREATLY. Materia can be sold on the MB AND..the only way that you are going farm the new legendary mats is with a whooping 3700 perception. You'll more then likely need food with some materia melding to get to that lofty amount.

5. Legendary Gathering Nodes. These are required for midlevel mats. i.e. Bayberry for Bayberry Cloth, Harkari nuts for Titanboa Leather, etc. These mats are required for 610 gear. These mats can be sold on the MB

6. Ephemeral Gathering Nodes. These are required for most pots and medicines, and some other crafted mats. for Endstone Sands, Eventide Sands, Moon sand, etc. These mats can be sold on the MB

Short answer...if you WANT to make money....follow the REQUIRED points above as NEARLY EVERYTHING is connected to each other.

Crafting/Gather Endgame isn't about making boat loads of GIL...it's about mastering every system and managing your time to be totally self sufficient while dominating the MB. You want that in game house? Master crafting and gather and you'll be rolling in coin without even realizing it!

One also has to understand simple economics as well...buy low sell high...supply and demand....want or need....feast or famine....

Example
Crystals: Buy low, what's the supply?, I need them for crafting, is there a famine of crystals. Maybe I can capitalize on the low supply of crystals since there is a famine since these are needed for crafting!

I honestly get lost for DAYS on the MB researching my next big endeavor for corning a market, or recruiting a partner to dominate a market together. Last time a friend and myself cornered a market it was blue crabs in Shadowbringers. We caught roughly 400 blue crabs each and flooded the market for 10k a pop...zero competition except for ourselves. Anytime someone would undercut us...we just bought there blue crabs....and put it right back on the MB.... we made like 4-5mil a piece. Either way....it's ALOT of work and sometimes you need to be clever.

[Eraden]

Endgame crafting is a multitude of things. And this is NOT just crafting....Gathering is part of crafting as well. So you have to look at them together...not separately. That being said....Crafting and Gathering is incredibly deep.

4. Materia melding/Penta melding. This materia is gained by scrips, quicksynth spirit bonding, and hunts. Materia isn't required, but it helps GREATLY. Materia can be sold on the MB AND..the only way that you are going farm the new legendary mats is with a whooping 3700 perception. You'll more then likely need food with some materia melding to get to that lofty amount.

I can confirm that in order to get a decent chance at pulling greens from the new collectable nodes, you need 3700 Perception AND 3700 Gathering. That means that if you want better than a 10 percent chance of pulling greens from these nodes, you HAVE to pentameld.

[Bukachu]

yeah I leveled all crafting professions to 80, all gatherers included, then 5-6 of them to 90, and I wanted to get into crafting this tier, but jesus christ this is such a major joke, and its even bigger joke that SE thinks its fine that players would need to spend immense amount of gil or time just to be able to gather/craft new items.


I remember my friends telling me about ffxiv crafting being amazing before I'd play but this is just a sad little joke.

[Colt47]

I forgot how bad it got at the tailend of Shadowbringers since we had it so good the last few months with the barrier to entry lower than usual. The fact is that depending on how much time someone has to do extremely monotonous things, crafting is either "just okay" or "basically impossible to meet the minimum bar".

If someone has full crafted gear at the currently available level for crafting and gathering and has all slots filled with proper materia (no penta-meld) They should be able to craft end game items. Maybe not HQ ones, but it should be doable. It shouldn't be "oh, I can't do the latest at all unless I have overmelded insanely expensive materia plus food".

No joke I'd be broke right now if I had to penta-meld both crafting and gathering materia. It took me months to get as far as I did with my asthetes gear and I still ended up using asthetes rings and such in Endwalker because the overmeld stats beat the new rings with only the normal materia slots filled.

Well, I mean I guess they think that they need this barrier of entry to stop people from doing... something? I've had this sensation ever since I started to get into crafting just to make my own raid food in Shadowbringers that the team doing FFXIV treat crafting as something completely different than the rest of the game.

[Ronduwil]

My answer is that the requirements to even start are so high. I can Do my turn ins for scrips and get get a decent Ilvl... but NOPE. Not enough. Not enough to make the gear to be enough. cause you need a boatload of gil to even start.

No, not really. You can start with no gil whatsoever. In fact, the very process of leveling your crafting generates massive amounts of gil. In my experience, you make a boatload of gil just by starting.

The requirement to pentameld gear is STUPID. Sorry but it really is.

There is no requirement to pentameld gear. Granted, the first couple of max level pieces are a pain to craft, and you may want to just buy them outright to get started, but after that, you can craft the max level gear with some luck and effort. Pentamelding is only necessary if you want to blindly run a macro without putting any work whatsoever into watching for procs and optimizing your rotation. I don't have any gear pentamelded, and I can usually complete a max level craft with plenty of durability left over.

I've been playing since Heavensward was current content and at no point have I ever had over 30mil. So now having all my crafters to 90, Isn't it logical to be able to craft stuff... NOPE. Only have it for people who already have all the money needed. How did they get that? Luck, thats they only way I can see how. I grind myself so much to get so little. Gather, craft, sell, 7 retainers on the go and still almost no money cause I have to buy higher level gear cause I can't get it any other way cause the high currencies are all locked behind content I don't like. I can't earn my own power before doing that stuff and helping friends. Having to rely on others to earn my power is stupid.

I think there's a skill issue at play here. I've been playing on and off (more off than on) since the end of Stormblood, and I broke 35 million gil last week. I net 20K gil every week in 30 seconds just by handing over the silver pieces that my retainers gather to the Doman Enclave. On top of that, I get handed gil just for effortlessly completing challenge log entries. This game rains gil on you at regular intervals. If you're perpetually broke, then you're likely squandering your money.

[Ronduwil]

The scrip gear should be enough to to craft good gear, maybe that gear is needed to craft the better gear.. Makes sense but this huge wall of gil needed to start is stupid.

The scrip gear is not that good because it can't be melded. It's good enough to do custom deliveries, and that's about it. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at when you reference the scrip gear. Most of my scrips go towards materia, not gear. I don't even have a full 590 set right now. I still have a couple of left-hand 560 pieces, and I can still make pretty much whatever I want. I think this week's project is going to be to knock out my hat and gloves so that I can make my crafting a bit easier going forward. That's purely for convenience's sake, however.

Fair enough if you require that someone know how to use the right skills and balance your stuff, like building out the right string of skills, but this is ridiculous.

It really is a matter of skill, and it's not really that hard. You don't need fancy macros or penta-melding. Just follow this general process:

1. Open with Muscle Memory
2. Turn on Manipulation
3. Prioritize getting as close to completion without going over. Veneration, Final Appraisal, and Rapid Synthesis are your friends in this regard. If your bad luck is such that only have one more turn of Muscle Memory left, then consider just using Careful Synthesis so that you're not completely screwed. It lowers your odds of getting a successful HQ craft, but at least you'll still have a chance of success.
4. Once you've spent your Muscle Memory buff, turn on Waste Not II in order to keep your durability up. Maintain Manipulation and Innovation while building quality.
5. Go with the Basic -> Standard -> Advanced Touch combo unless you hit a proc, in which case, you want to use Precise Touch for the boost to Inner Quiet.
6. Keep an eye on the Quality Calculator that the game provides, and when you're in striking distance, use Byregot's Blessing to max out the quality.
7. Finish it

[Ronduwil]

Sorry, but in my experience, this process isn't really broken. If you want to be fully melded on week one, you will blow through a ton of gil, but you don't need to be fully melded to be successful. Most of the materia for my melds comes from doing two sets of Custom deliveries every week. That's generally enough to buy around 4 level X materia and 14 lower level materia. If I'm still short and I need more materia, I'll see what the collectable appraiser has to offer and knock out the collectables I need to generate the scrips to buy more materia. Provided you have good gathering gear, you can get well over 30 legendary materials every time you visit a node. Each node is available twice an hour, so you can gather even the rarest materials necessary to make whatever you want over the span of an afternoon. As a bonus, you can even gather collectables between legendary spawns in order to buy more materia. If you're too lazy to gather the scrips for the materia yourself and instead choose to buy it off the market, then you're the reason those prices are so sky high.

[Deveryn]

If you find this expensive, then you're doing it wrong. It doesn't have to be at all. It is a labor though. If it's too boring, there are plenty of people that are happy to do it. Spend the money you might've spent on materia in tipping your friendly neighborhood crafter.

[Kamatsu]

The scrip gear is not that good because it can't be melded. It's good enough to do custom deliveries, and that's about it. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at when you reference the scrip gear. Most of my scrips go towards materia, not gear. I don't even have a full 590 set right now. I still have a couple of left-hand 560 pieces, and I can still make pretty much whatever I want. I think this week's project is going to be to knock out my hat and gloves so that I can make my crafting a bit easier going forward. That's purely for convenience's sake, however.

Correction here - the 570 scrip gear can't be melded. The new 590 purple scrip gear CAN be normal melded, however it can't be advanced melded. To illustrate:

590 ilvl Alchemist Purple scrip primary tool: https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/P...st%27s_Alembic
590 ilvl Crafting chest/body armor: https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/P...et_of_Crafting

The scrip gear's stats are the equivalent of HQ Pactmakers. You can get both Primary and Secondary tools with purple scrip, and all left-side. The only thing you'll be lacking is right side accessories. So you'd have to buy/make your own right-side accessories.

I believe that going heavy Craftsman melding, along with HQ food, should let someone with all 590 ilvl scrip gear craft the 610 ilvl gear. They likely won't have the stats to macro always HQ, but they should still be able to craft the gear.

[Moonlite]

I'm just gonna call out this bull$hit. You need exactly one (1) food and FOUR (4) materia to reach 3700 Craftsmanship even with the most hobo set I can think of.



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