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    Quote Originally Posted by ReynTime View Post
    Four months ago I got a full party going for Coils and Second Coils synced in just one day, and I used the party finder for that. We gathered and finished the runs in the same day.
    Just because you need to do actual communication instead of clicking join in the DF and then seeing it all play out perfectly doesn't mean it's anywhere near to impossible to do them as is.
    Free trial players cannot do "actual communication" the game stops them from sending messages to players and from making PFs. It's a lesson learned long ago that you can't lock story content behind requiring PF and this just needs to be changed to follow that.
    It at least needs to be tweaked enough to be put in normal raid roulette.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    Free trial players cannot do "actual communication" the game stops them from sending messages to players and from making PFs. It's a lesson learned long ago that you can't lock story content behind requiring PF and this just needs to be changed to follow that.
    It at least needs to be tweaked enough to be put in normal raid roulette.

    Its almost like its there to encourage you to, gasp, buy the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Its almost like its there to encourage you to, gasp, buy the game.
    Then what's the point of having the trial go 20+ levels beyond and 2 expansions past that content?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    Then what's the point of having the trial go 20+ levels beyond and 2 expansions past that content?



    To get you interested in the game and invested in it enough to buy the game.


    Tease you on content. Etc.


    The free trial will always be gimped when it comes to completing party-based content like Savage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Its almost like its there to encourage you to, gasp, buy the game.
    Then letting newbies access Coils more easily would benefit that cause. They offer great sightseeing and the story in them isn't too bad, either. Plus, they could be the first taste of raid content to many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    It is in no way easy to get a party together on-level for coils. I tried when I was 50 on the free trial on Primal. Free Trials cannot make PFs and cannot use /tell to ask other players to make one for them. Really all they can do is queue DF and hope someone maybe makes a PF.
    Cool anecdote. I tried when I was 50 on the trial and DID get groups, on Crystal and on Aether both before DC travel, on multiple alts. They popped in DF during primetime, they showed up in PF including as unsynced versions for me to tag along when I wanted. I even joined fellowships and CWLS and checked reddit for synced content communities and followed links from those to find discords when I got impatient to get a group on my challenge alt.

    If you're worried about who's telling lies, I'll send you the two discords I use most and you can see people building Coils groups almost every night, and then you can stop claiming that Coils groups only happen rarely. Oh, you're opposed to third-party programs? You can't play during primetime? Go to Gridania or Ligma Lominsa and ask in Say chat if anyone would like to make a trial player an unsynced PF for the bonus tomestones. People do that too.

    I've tried when I was at 50 and I gave up after weeks of trying to get a group in DF and being unable to make PFs.
    You didn't use the tools already available to you.

    This is solvable by adding a game tooltip informing players how to use the party finder -- in particular, the PF's search options can literally alert you in the chatlog when a group appears, which is wonderfully convenient for trial users. There's no need to encourage the devs to rip the guts out of an enjoyable raid series.

    Now, if you could guarantee they wouldn't muck around with the originals and import a bunch of boring Shadowbringers mechanics into them, if you could guarantee that they would only build a separate, story-focused version, I might feel differently, but you can't guarantee that, and I don't want the content that I still do and enjoy on my free trial account to be wrecked in the same way they did when they stripped a bunch of the fun from the MSQ dungeons.

    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    Free trial players cannot do "actual communication" the game stops them from sending messages to players and from making PFs.
    Damn, the free trial bot accounts spamming RMT ads in say chat in the capital cities are going to be devastated to learn that they can't communicate with other players.
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