Endwalker Story sucked and it's time to admit it

[EaraGrace]

Whatever helps you sleep at night and dismiss other's opinions, I suppose.

For the briefest moment I thought you could be reasonable and respectful Senti. Guess I should just accept you won’t be.

All I'm saying is, if you were truly still in mourning over Endwalker you'd realize the true victims of the narrative are the Ancients.

Right the real victims were the group trying to sacrifice a whole planet because they can’t handle their grief. Not all those who died on the shards in unnecessary tragedies.

You know they can be something other than blameless victims to be grieved for right?

Instead, you spend all your time extolling the virtues of and defending Endwalker's plot on these here yonder forums of yore. Nobody of import died amongst the Sundered, so if not the Ancients who are you mourning?

I miss Ahewann, and feel for Mehvan and Qerasafs child. I miss Venat, and yes I’m sad for Hermes and Meteion. Who are you to tell me who to mourn? I have never objected to those who cried for Emet and Elidibus, and even if I argued they were evil.

Ergo, you find their deaths permissible and do not find their demises a tragedy. Or, at least not as much of a tragedy as the few feckless Sundered who turned into monsters and died because Mother made it so. In closing for the sake of posterity I'll just go ahead and add this:

"Psssst. Hail Hydaelyn."

How childish.

[jameseoakes]

For the briefest moment I thought you could be reasonable and respectful Senti. Guess I should just accept you won’t be.



Right the real victims were the group trying to sacrifice a whole planet because they can’t handle their grief. Not all those who died on the shards in unnecessary tragedies.
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Now you are just making nonsense up, that wasn't what they were planning at all. And the ancients were victims of a horrific disaster of unimaginable scale and completely unnessacry as that whole thing is the fault of two people

[sidurgu-12]

Now you are just making nonsense up, that wasn't what they were planning at all. And the ancients were victims of a horrific disaster of unimaginable scale and completely unnessacry as that whole thing is the fault of two people

i think theyre talking about the ascians, not the ancients. and yeah emet admits that they do plan to sacrifice the rejoined people of the source. though he does also say the rejoinings are nothing but a blessing since each one strengthens the source.

[Hurlstone]

how about the blasphemies and their victims? the children twisted on screen who devoured their parents soon after? a nation of brainwashed people driven to the brink? and yes the ancients. my original statement was an embellishment but it still stands that i do think ew is a story of tragedy and hope.

The scene of the scared child being changed, and then crushed by a larger Blasphemie, was one of the most horrific moments in the game. Up there with Tesleen's transformation.

[SentioftheHoukai]

For the briefest moment I thought you could be reasonable and respectful Senti. Guess I should just accept you won’t be.



Right the real victims were the group trying to sacrifice a whole planet because they can’t handle their grief. Not all those who died on the shards in unnecessary tragedies.

You know they can be something other than blameless victims to be grieved for right?



I miss Ahewann, and feel for Mehvan and Qerasafs child. I miss Venat, and yes I’m sad for Hermes and Meteion. Who are you to tell me who to mourn? I have never objected to those who cried for Emet and Elidibus, and even if I argued they were evil.



How childish.

Oh? And what should I just accept all of y'all are? Condescending, hypocritical? Never to engage in good faith or make consistent arguments? Again, to use one of your excuses I simply don't have it in me to be nice all the time. Not to this forum, and some of those who post on it.

I didn't tell anyone how to mourn. Funnily enough, some of us are constantly told how to feel regarding some of the "villainous" members of the cast and if we do not we are somehow guilty of openly supporting dictatorial and genocidal regimes in reality. I am tired of attempting to make nice only to be met with a bunch of people who refuse to do the same and think I'm not intelligent enough to realize what they're saying behind the polite lies, the passive-aggressiveness, and the sneers hidden by hands.

Fun fact: The claim that someone "lacks reading comprehension" is merely an overelaborate manner of calling someone lacking in wits whilst being too craven to mention it outright, and it always has been. Contemplate that 'afore you lecture me on my conduct, please.

[EaraGrace]

Now you are just making nonsense up, that wasn't what they were planning at all. And the ancients were victims of a horrific disaster of unimaginable scale and completely unnessacry as that whole thing is the fault of two people

The third sacrifice was explicitly intended to raise souls for sacrifice, a plan supported by the majority of Ancient society and opposed by Venats faction. That’s what I’m referring to.

Oh? And what should I just accept all of y'all are? Condescending, hypocritical? Never to engage in good faith or make consistent arguments? Again, to use one of your excuses I simply don't have it in me to be nice all the time. Not to this forum, and some of those who post on it.

Ok then.

I didn't tell anyone how to mourn. Funnily enough, some of us are constantly told how to feel regarding some of the "villainous" members of the cast and if we do not we are somehow guilty of openly supporting dictatorial and genocidal regimes in reality.

Feeling bad for a character and defending a characters actions are two separate things. I can hold that feeling for characters is perfectly understandable and that some the arguments about morality can be a bit questionable. You’ve done it yourself.

I am tired of attempting to make nice only to be met with a bunch of people who refuse to do the same and think I'm not intelligent enough to realize what they're saying behind the polite lies, the passive-aggressiveness, and the sneers hidden by hands.

You haven’t attempted to “make nice,” don’t pretend.

Fun fact: The claim that someone "lacks reading comprehension" is merely an overelaborate manner of calling someone lacking in wits whilst being too craven to mention it outright, and it always has been. Contemplate that 'afore you lecture me on my conduct, please.

Fun fact. Asking someone how they sleep at night is a pointed insult that questions their moral character. Think about that afore you attempt to claim the moral high ground.

[jameseoakes]

The third sacrifice was explicitly intended to raise souls for sacrifice, a plan supported by the majority of Ancient society and opposed by Venats faction. That’s what I’m referring to.
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No it wasn't it was just going to raise aether from the the rekindled planet there was nothing about souls in the ancients plan. Souls only came into the Ascians plan when it seemed like they just wanted a quick fix.

[EaraGrace]

No it wasn't it was just going to raise aether from the the rekindled planet there was nothing about souls in the ancients plan. Souls only came into the Ascians plan when it seemed like they just wanted a quick fix.

From Tales from the Dawn:

His devotees then resolved to sow new life─a bounty of souls to take the place of their sacrificed brethren. In time would they reap this crop, and by rendering it unto their god would the lost be returned, and the world restored to the paradise it was and ever should have been.

[jameseoakes]

From Tales from the Dawn:

Didn't read that as I found the prose unreadable and I would trust anyone from Venats death cult anyway we know Venat lied to them so I don't consider them reliable at all.

[Kozh]

Hydaelyn couldn't tell us about Meteion in this timeline because we need to innocently blunder into setting the whole thing off. But the future Warriors of Light she (presumably eventually) creates to replace us in the other timeline don't have the same concern because they don't need to fulfil that same role.

And "alt-Venat" knows about Meteion because there wasn't an alt-Venat until the two timelines separate as a consequence of Shadowbringers. There's only one version of events at Elpis, involving us (never our counterpart) travelling back there from our branch of the timeline.

I won't pretend I'm an expert in time travel, but I don't think that's how it works. How can the two timelines separate after ShB? When it supposed to branch when g'raha first kidnapped us to the First. Remember that in og timeline, we die shortly after ghimlyt dark since varis release black rose. At that point and until the future, that timeline doesn't have time travel technology. Even after they did, they use it to send g'raha along with it to the First. I'll even say that out of all timeline, our timeline is probably the only one who has its WoL going back in time. Because the time travel technology is the result of another timeline going into calamity.

So obviously, alt!venat, or actually the OG venat, doesn't have the knowledge of meteion. Because there's no one to time travel back in time, nor they have the means to do so.

You seem to be talking as if by "calculating" our fate, Alexander directly creates our future. It is simply predicting what people are going to do, and deciding to let them keep doing it.

Same different

Dynamis well may have been factored into Alexander's predictive abilities, since they're magically derived from its summoners presumably wishing for it to have the power to make accurate predictions, so the universe somehow conjured up a being that has all the necessary data to do so.

Doesn't mean that'll make Alex aware of dynamis itself